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And Goku is shown that he learns UI because of this? Not at all Again you are taking a random old scene which wasn’t even built upon or really developed and acting like it took years for Goku to learn & master UI which isn’t the case at all. It’s just an exaggeration Goku gets stuff as quickly ...

Yeah Whis briefly mentions something similar and then the concept of it shows up in a later arc. Acting like we were focused on UI for years before Goku got it is false. Instead it was more like Whis mentions the idea It shows up in a later arc and Goku gets it Goku completely masters it an arc lat...

So Vegeta saying he doesn't want to surrender his mind to mindless UI is a okay, but him being happy to surrender his mind to constant thoughts of just destruction is fine? Him learning a technique that Goku already displayed several arcs ago is not taking Goku's sloppy seconds? Lets be honest and ...

It did not take years for Goku to learn UI lol Yeah it did. Whis started teaching Goku UI all the way back in RoF. Yeah Whis briefly mentions something similar and then the concept of it shows up in a later arc. Acting like we were focused on UI for years before Goku got it is false. Instead it was...

He probably wasn't ever going to surpass him with Ultra Instinct, so if anything trying something else seems like a risk worth taking. You can out-strong anything in DB , which is as close to a universal rule as its world has. Do I think the story is going to end with him actually being on top? No;...

Vegeta seems resistant to the idea that wanton destruction is a okay. So Beerus' tech doesn't seem to "suit" him either.

Kinokima wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:49 pm It did not take years for Goku to learn UI lol

Yeah it did. Whis started teaching Goku UI all the way back in RoF.

Vegeta surpassing MUI from this doesnt make him come off strong, just contrived it just makes MUI come off as weak, retconned to be easily caught, watered down, as there's as limit to how much we can believe he could genuinely improve in such a short span of time. They bury Vegeta in the Moro arc to...

Vegeta doesn't deserve bailing out.

The God of Destruction role seems like it was made for him. I don't like that. Imagine if instead of struggling hard to achieve Super Saiyan, he gives up on it and Toriyama had some one say "It's okay Vegeta, there's this technique called Dark Saiyan that's just as good as SS, but unlike SS, t...

So basically anyone who's been through Popo/Kami's training is better at emptying their minds than Vegeta.

Vegeta's gonna change visually for sure, as he's overdue for that kind of change. He's been using variants of SSB since RoF.

Vegeta was objectively proven not to be a villain by the Eternal Dragon in the Buu arc. Him going back to calling himself a villain is an extreme regression. Why do fans feel the need to reinterpret his words to fit a more favourable interpretation? He did't say " I deserve hell for all the wr...

You act like they are real people and Piccolo doesn’t know what he is talking about. Piccolo was literally acting as a mouth piece for Toyo in that chapter Sure the line about never underestimating his opponents was a little dumb. Although one can make an argument that Vegeta gets too cocky and ove...

I am not inventing anything. Piccolo literally said what Vegeta was doing in that very same chapter: trying to atone. It wasn’t subtle at all. Toyo was literally beating you over the head with it. In But by Vegeta saying he is going to hell means he doesn’t think it’s enough. It’s not like this is ...

Because you completely missed the point of that scene. Vegeta may see himself as bound for hell because he thinks that is what he deserves (whether that is true or not is besides the point). He doesn’t think all the good he can do is enough but he still wants to help others. So yes that entire chap...

Again it was ONE scene. Sure it was a very nice moment and certainly better than what the anime did but there was no true journey or struggle to specifically get UI. They just built on previous history Goku had. I am not saying it was a bad moment but you are overemphasizing it to downgrade Vegeta....

Goku literally got UI in one arc in the TOP. It didn’t come from years of training or struggles lol. There was no journey and then Goku completely mastered it literally an arc later after a couple months training with Merus. Most of the training with Whis prior was about SSB not about UI. UI was po...

Watch and steal is another word for "ok i well train you", Beerus is just being a tsundere. Unless it takes years as well and is beyond difficult, it's still going to be cheap and devalued. We went from Vegeta near crippling himself in 400x gravity for SS1 and 2 to this. If its so good, i...

Yeah, its a simple question. If what Beerus says is true, why has no god of destruction ever surpassed their own angel? I don't like how easy this technique or form is being given to Vegeta. Watch and steal? That's not going to feel prestigious at all. Comes across like any Z fighter could have don...