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by Ziegander
Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:38 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Okay.

Thanks, I hate it! :thumbup:
by Ziegander
Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: A Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc Rewrite - The Outline (Complete!)
Replies: 13
Views: 429

Re: A Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc Rewrite - The Outline (WIP, Lengthy)

It's pretty good, but I think it's a little too complex for DB standards, especially the setup before Namek. I should amend "the setup" to make clear that not all of that is supposed to happen on panel/on screen. As it stands right now, "the setup" is more like notes to myself of stuff I wanted to ...
by Ziegander
Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: A Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc Rewrite - The Outline (Complete!)
Replies: 13
Views: 429

A Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc Rewrite - The Outline (Complete!)

So, I've been fiddling with a rewrite of the Moro arc. It's just an outline with a few specifics. My goals were to give Moro a bit more personality, a bit more history, to flesh out his motivations and schemes a bit better, make him a much more magical villain, and overall help the arc flow more na...
by Ziegander
Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I never said the whole of Super is going to be trash. Then the following statement was about nothing at all?: There were so many neat things they could have done from a storytelling perspective. This just throws Goku at blinding speed at the FIGHT THE ANGELS AND GRAND PRIEST, BECOME PAPI BLANCO AND...
by Ziegander
Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:45 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

But don't believe me if you don't want to. I believe you just fine. It doesn't change that the information was already out there at the time, or how bizarre and premature your about-face is. Which is the point. Not sure why you find it so bizarre. The circumstances have changed, and so has my opini...
by Ziegander
Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Uh... no. Actually. Maybe you're missing some things. I haven't 'missed' anything. Those translations were out with the scans even before you stated you'd give the chapter the benefit of the doubt, which you are now conspicuously not doing. So, you did a total about-face on the strength of informat...
by Ziegander
Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Hey, we got a new candidate for Moro's level 3 in FighterZ. That's cool. So this is how Vegeta becomes useful again, yeah? This is set up so he can use his new power and not have it be a total wash. Which still seems dumb to me? If he got the new power but then couldn't use it on Moro because Moro ...
by Ziegander
Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I was willing to read the whole chapter before judging the senzu bean moment. And now you're not. Based on information that was already out there with the scans at the same time. Okay..? Uh... no. Actually. Maybe you're missing some things. Now we've got translation of the scans that give Goku's mo...
by Ziegander
Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I was willing to read the whole chapter before judging the senzu bean moment. Goku giving Moro a senzu bean wasn't by itself awful writing. There were plenty of avenues that Toyo could have taken that, and as I argued, and many others have argued, it was well within Goku's character to give him a se...
by Ziegander
Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.
Replies: 271
Views: 6249

Re: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.

I don't understand how we got to where we are now with this arc from where we started. Through Namek, the Moro arc was fresh, dynamic, and a really interesting revisit to Frieza arc vibes but with a completely different threat on our hands. With Moro on his way to Earth, and Goku and Vegeta going in...
by Ziegander
Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I'm willing to see where Toyotaro goes with this. To echo what everyone's been saying about how this is like 20% of the full issue, or less, I'll go further and say that plenty of times, after reading the sample pages, I've either been surprised by where the manga issue did finally end up (for good...
by Ziegander
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

After the Tournament of Power there were so many interesting directions they could have taken Dragon Ball, but this Moro arc has to be potentially the worst direction on the table. Just, full bore, immediately following the debut of Ultra Instinct, let's ramp right into mastering it instantly and th...
by Ziegander
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I am just numbed by this. I no longer care how this arc ends. I'm going to keep reading so that, in however many more months it takes to get there, I eventually know how it ends, but it just doesn't matter anymore. They're planning the next arc? Great. It's gonna be about fighting angels or Zalama o...
by Ziegander
Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I was totally fine with the senzu if it led to something else besides Goku letting his guard down and getting his neck grabbed...which seems to have possibly happened. His body is meant to move on it's own now, it should be impossible to let his guard down while in the form. It not needing the conn...
by Ziegander
Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:19 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Maybe the twist is Goku goes to hakai Moro after Moro's inevitable betrayal, but Moro eats it and transforms into a godlike being?

I'm just trying to come up with something that doesn't make Goku AND Toyotaro both look like complete idiot trash.
by Ziegander
Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I think it's pretty clear the Senzu Bean trick is just a teaser to catch our attention. There is something behind that all. Taking literal conclusions just based on one teaser is very preliminary and unneeded. And no, i don't mean innocent speculation here about 'what could happen', i mean saying i...
by Ziegander
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Look, I can understand if Goku wants Moro to have a free choice. The logic doesn't break just because Goku doesn't heal him before Moro makes the promise. I mean, at the very minimum Goku could have gotten the promise out of Moro before giving him the senzu bean. He could even have demanded Moro tur...
by Ziegander
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

So the current translation goes on to say that Goku offers Moro the senzu bean on the condition that Moro promise not to hurt anyone else and to willingly turn himself in, after Goku gives him the senzu bean . To which, of course, Moro goes, "oh, yes, of course, thank you Goku, yes, I promise... TO...
by Ziegander
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

So the current translation goes on to say that Goku offers Moro the senzu bean on the condition that Moro promise not to hurt anyone else and to willingly turn himself in, after Goku gives him the senzu bean . To which, of course, Moro goes, "oh, yes, of course, thank you Goku, yes, I promise... TO...
by Ziegander
Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:57 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36682
Views: 2886161

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Ugh. I'm already eating my words. There's already a new translation summary, and it makes Goku look even stupider than before...