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by Ziegander
Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:57 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Ugh. I'm already eating my words. There's already a new translation summary, and it makes Goku look even stupider than before...
by Ziegander
Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Because no matter what happens Goku giving Moro the Senzu is still disappointing writing. There is nothing good that can come from it. And I say this whether Moro somehow escapes from Goku or Goku beats the hell out of him again. Neither option will make this development better for me. I think it's...
by Ziegander
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Because no matter what happens Goku giving Moro the Senzu is still disappointing writing. There is nothing good that can come from it. And I say this whether Moro somehow escapes from Goku or Goku beats the hell out of him again. Neither option will make this development better for me. I think it's...
by Ziegander
Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I think he's just healing him so he can show him how thoroughly outclassed he still is at full power. I think Goku wants it to really sink in that Moro can't do shit against him, and I think he's going to lecture him a bit, like he did with Freeza, and we'll see where it goes from there. I think Gok...
by Ziegander
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

So... This chapter went down as I hoped and predicted... MUI Goku annihilated Full Power Moro with zero difficulty, and I think that's as should have been expected. Personally, I thought Omen should have been more than a match for less than full power Moro quite a few chapters ago, but that's gone w...
by Ziegander
Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

If Goku goes MUI, then he must defeat Moro, no problems, no assistance needed, no hang ups, full stop. What should happen and what will happen are 2 very different things. The above is what should happen. Goku goes MUI, Moro is killed then and there. What will happen more than likely is that Goku w...
by Ziegander
Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

So I guess now we wait to see if Goku does go MUI or doesn't by the end of the chapter. I honestly do like these beginning pages. This is good storytelling, good pacing, good characterization. I'm a fan, Toyo, you've won me over again, but I need to see you nail the PLOTTING. What the actual hell is...
by Ziegander
Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

At this point, I think the most surprising ending would be the logical UI beating Moro for good. As much as I'd like to see it end with MUI, I think we'll get at least 1 or even 2 more fake outs before its really over. I think MUI will run out just as he's about to land the finishing blow. This wil...
by Ziegander
Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I mean, I'm generally a Toyo fan, and I've liked a lot of the things he's done with the manga, but this arc in particular... it showed so much promise, but it's just become a shitshow. I fully expect Goku to achieve completed UI due to overcoming his initial emotional shock of Merus being erased. An...
by Ziegander
Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:58 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

My only concern with the ending to this arc is that the only thing that's remained consistent throughout has been Toyo's propensity to surprise us. Oh, Goku's training with an Angel to perfect Ultra Instinct. LOL, he failed his training and is fucking up using Omen, Moro is just stronger than Omen, ...
by Ziegander
Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:23 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Vegeta can no longer beat Goku now that he has attained Completed Ultra Instinct at will. lol ok we really, really don't need to keep beating the dead horse about Vegeta beating Goku. Who even cares about that anymore? But there is literally zero evidence Goku has attained at-will, completed UI. We...
by Ziegander
Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Vegeta can no longer beat Goku now that he has attained Completed Ultra Instinct at will. lol ok we really, really don't need to keep beating the dead horse about Vegeta beating Goku. Who even cares about that anymore? But there is literally zero evidence Goku has attained at-will, completed UI. We...
by Ziegander
Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I honestly can't believe we're still spending pages arguing about how Goku couldn't have cared about Merus and his reaction is over the top and how the allusion to his Super Saiyan transformation and how equating Goku's relationship to Merus with Goku's relationship to Krillin is insulting and belit...
by Ziegander
Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I too would be completely fine with a skip to EoZ. Goku can use MUI at will, Vegeta doesn't have to try and struggle for relevance, and they can go in interesting new directions with the story.
by Ziegander
Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:09 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Goku won't be able to maintain MUI forever after this arc, nor will he be able to unleash it at will. However, he might at least retain the knowledge of how he can trigger the state - overcome a moment of extreme emotion --> activate Mastered Ultra Instinct. Of course, it's Goku, so the thought migh...
by Ziegander
Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:07 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Should the next arc focus on old characters/z fighters or new characters?
Replies: 19
Views: 705

Re: Should the next arc focus on old characters/z fighters or new characters?

I wish they would continue the throughline started in the Buu saga, and picked up again for the Tournament of Power: Make Gohan leader of "The Z Fighters," with Piccolo as his advisor/personal trainer/right hand. Goku and Vegeta go off into the multiverse and have wild space adventures with Gods and...
by Ziegander
Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I'm not saying Vegeta will never be relevant again. I'm saying, if Goku pulls silver-haired UI, then Vegeta's Spirit Fission power is a moot point for this particular showdown. It's just not going to be necessary. What I could see happening, and would honestly just be kind of equally annoying in a d...
by Ziegander
Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

And yes I think a joint effort would ultimately be more satisfying then just UI even if that means UI can’t beat Moro on it own. As I said previously both Vegeta and Goku have been fighting and failing to beat Moro continuously. So from a story perspective having them both beat Moro works better to...
by Ziegander
Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Look, I like Vegeta as much as the next guy, and I was thoroughly insulted by the way Toyo pulled a bullshit bait and switch on the audience with how he built Vegeta's training up for months like it was going to mean something only for him to use it and then Moro just get even stronger than ever bef...
by Ziegander
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36737
Views: 2898687

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

It would've been an even bigger disappointment if he just showed up, used one technique he learned largely offscreen and Moro lost. Disappointing? Perhaps. Anticlimactic? Certainly. But it would've been over. Vegeta would've used his new technique to weaken Moro until he was capable of finishing hi...