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by PFM18
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:55 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11421
Views: 804981

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

How exactly? Base Gotenks being weaker than the SSJ kids would make absolutely no sense from the way it was presented. SS Gotenks is weaker than SS2 Vegeta and I doubt he grew multiple times stronger training in the RoSaT for a week. Okay you're just making comments you're not actually making an ar...
by PFM18
Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:39 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31290
Views: 1671077

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

ruler9871 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:22 pm
PFM18 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:35 pm
ruler9871 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:47 pm
So no counter-argument then, huh?
Everything in my last post was aimed at both you and supersaiyangodgogeta
All of your responses specifically addressed him. If you lumped me in there then it didnt matter because you didnt address my arguments.
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11421
Views: 804981

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Based on everything that I've seen: Base Vegito >> Ssj3 Goku (buu arc) Base Gotenks >> Ssj goten/trunks Base Vegito >> ssb goku/vegeta (manga ft arc, probably anime too but he never fought) Base kefla >> controlled ssj kale Base Gogeta >> ssb goku/vegeta (movie) Its likely that fusion is always goi...
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31670
Views: 2367279

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

You are right. It doesn't change the meaning of subjective. However, Toriyama isn't giving his feelings from a fan point. But insight and knowledge from his title as Creator. Which isn't merely an opinion but outright fact on how his DB universe is suppose to look. So....his opinion is a fact then?
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31290
Views: 1671077

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

ruler9871 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:47 pm
PFM18 wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:23 pm
Snip
So no counter-argument then, huh?
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31670
Views: 2367279

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

So it's my fault that you have this apparent tendency to convey this extremely condescending demeanor?You have claimed more or less that your opinion is an objective fact on several occasions now and quite literally have said that anyone who disagrees does not understand art. That doesn't really ha...
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can it be argued that episodes 107-118 are our best stretch of episodes in Super so far?
Replies: 13
Views: 2919

Re: Can it be argued that episodes 107-118 are our best stretch of episodes in Super so far?

Episodes 107-118 featured so many cool, notable, and amazing moments within the tournament and the series itself, and I found none of those episodes disappointing or irritating to me in the slightest. Sure, not every single episode within that batch was super exciting, but each week waiting for the...
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:23 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31290
Views: 1671077

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

2. If SSKBBx20 Goku in ep.123 was still only as strong as he was in the hour special, he would have been flicked and glared away like fodder, as did throughout ep.109. You're just trying to arbitrarily quantify "did better" as though it actually means anything in any sort of objective sense. There'...
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31670
Views: 2367279

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

any criticisms in terms of narrative structure or the overall end product of various teams working together being conclusively mediocre are dismissed because I don't seem to understand "art". "It's all subjective!" "You can't criticize art!" etc. But to just throw away any sort of criticism because...
by PFM18
Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:07 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31670
Views: 2367279

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I don't see anything that makes Moro somehow more threatening or the stakes any higher than before, especially given that we already know what his power is, he's already fallen into basic DB villain trappings, has no personality to speak of, and hasn't accomplished anything particularly impressive ...
by PFM18
Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31290
Views: 1671077

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Btw, anyone here thinks that FT arc vegito blue may be in brolys league? They were both stated to probably surpass beerus. Or does he get easily stomped. In the anime no such comment exists. Even in the manga Kaioshin did not say "hes probably stronger than Beerus" he just acknowledged it as a poss...
by PFM18
Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31670
Views: 2367279

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Finally, some goddamn tension and weight to an arc/fight. You mean it wasn't enough when losing the tournament meant your entire Universe being erased? Fighting for the existence of your universe wasn't enough tension for you, or what? You can have whatever imaginary stakes you'd like, but if you d...
by PFM18
Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31290
Views: 1671077

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Btw, anyone here thinks that FT arc vegito blue may be in brolys league? They were both stated to probably surpass beerus. Or does he get easily stomped. In the anime no such comment exists. Even in the manga Kaioshin did not say "hes probably stronger than Beerus" he just acknowledged it as a poss...
by PFM18
Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:01 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34752
Views: 1566229

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Well, since Vegetto = Gogeta, SS Gogeta finger flicks. You'd believed a preview guide that wasn't made with Toei, Toriyama or even Toyotaro's input? The original manga itself has Potara>Finger Fusion, so Vegito doesn't equal Gogeta. Also, if even Kefla was much stronger than 1st 2 Omens Goku (to th...
by PFM18
Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:56 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31290
Views: 1671077

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I'm starting to think that magazine quote from Beerus actually meant MUI and not Omen. Surely if MUI surpassed Beerus it would have been stated. It doesn't matter at all. The quote was literally supposed to be quoting Beerus in the episode, but Beerus never actually said it in the episode itself. S...
by PFM18
Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:25 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31290
Views: 1671077

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I'm starting to think that magazine quote from Beerus actually meant MUI and not Omen. Surely if MUI surpassed Beerus it would have been stated. It doesn't matter at all. The quote was literally supposed to be quoting Beerus in the episode, but Beerus never actually said it in the episode itself. S...
by PFM18
Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: When did you start liking Vegeta?
Replies: 51
Views: 7307

Re: When did you start liking Vegeta?

I've pretty much always liked Vegeta from the very beginning of my knowledge of the character's existence. However, I find his character arc in the Buu arc to be grossly overrated and it left a sour taste in my mouth by the time of the end of the original run of the series. I didn't start actually l...
by PFM18
Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34752
Views: 1566229

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

But you didn't take into account Piccolo's power that he gained from the off-screen training with Gohan. We can’t know how much stronger he got, and I doubt he got much stronger in a day. Piccolo also has Mafuba and object materialization and we know that Mafuba is practically haxx'd in Super even ...
by PFM18
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Best Ways to Enjoy DBS (from a 20 year DB fan who nearly left the show)
Replies: 17
Views: 3792

Re: Best Ways to Enjoy DBS (from a 20 year DB fan who nearly left the show)

I don't find any of this to be necessary, I just watch/read it the way I would any other Dragon Ball material. But whatever works for you, man. Frankly at this point I find it completely hilarious how immensely exaggerated the power scaling issues are, it's just insanity. It's really not much worse ...
by PFM18
Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34752
Views: 1566229

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

TOP Piccolo vs super perfect cell TOP Piccolo vs Fat Buu (before becoming good and separating the evil in him) If we go by the anime Piccolo would beat Cell but lose to Buu imo. He beat ssj2 Gohan, who should have at least been around buu saga ssj tiers, who are solidly above Cell, but Buu should a...