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by Bergamo
Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don't think you understand burden of proof. Goku is never shown absorbing SSG, so if you want to state that he did absorb it than YOU need to present proof. Why does it seem like everyone is saying that recently? I never even said it was a 100% fact that he did in the first place. It was a thing ...
by Bergamo
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Anime Jiren Vs. Manga Jiren: Which Do You Prefer And Why?
Replies: 37
Views: 4290

Re: Anime Jiren Vs. Manga Jiren: Which Do You Prefer And Why?

Anime by far. I don't really care for either that much, but AT LEAST the anime one warranted UI being necessary from his abilities alone (being able to dish out attacks that could not be seen and his glare thing), not even getting to his raw power and speed. That prevents him from being the complet...
by Bergamo
Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:46 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Anime Jiren Vs. Manga Jiren: Which Do You Prefer And Why?
Replies: 37
Views: 4290

Re: Anime Jiren Vs. Manga Jiren: Which Do You Prefer And Why?

Anime by far. I don't really care for either that much, but AT LEAST the anime one warranted UI being necessary from his abilities alone (being able to dish out attacks that could not be seen and his glare thing), not even getting to his raw power and speed. That prevents him from being the complet...
by Bergamo
Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:03 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

In the manga, Super Saiyan Cabbe is not God level. In the manga Goku never absorbed God powers into his base. Also, SS2 Goku = SS2 Trunks >= Dabura These three are all iffy. In the manga, Super Saiyan Cabba was as strong as Super Saiyan Goku just as he is in the anime. That Super Saiyan Goku was st...
by Bergamo
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What do you think are Super's 5 greatest fights?
Replies: 38
Views: 2841

Re: What do you think are Super's 5 greatest fights?

No particular order: • Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan. • Super Saiyan 2 Caulifla vs Super Saiyan 2 Goku. • Super Saiyan 2 Kafla vs Ultra Instinct -Omen- Goku. • Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs Goku Black. • Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta vs Beerus. Honorable mentions: • Super Saiyan 2 Cabba vs that random wom...
by Bergamo
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:58 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What do you think are Super's 5 greatest fights?
Replies: 38
Views: 2841

Re: What do you think are Super's 5 greatest fights?

zarmack wrote:
Bergamo wrote:
3)Goku vs Beerus(Movie)
That's DBZ, not Super
I don't care about the semantics. Goku vs Beerus happened in DBS, therefore Goku vs Beerus is a DBS fight.
by Bergamo
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:49 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

But this notion of ssj cabba and cualifa being god tier is just so unfounded, and highly unbeleivable. If it makes you feel better, neither were God Tier for the time they appeared. As was shown in the manga, Super Saiyan Cabba wasnt nearly as strong as Super Saiyan God Goku. Super Saiyan Caulifla ...
by Bergamo
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What do you think are Super's 5 greatest fights?
Replies: 38
Views: 2841

Re: What do you think are Super's 5 greatest fights?

I'll do top 3

1) Goku vs Merged Zamas(manga)
2) MUI Goku vs Jiren(anime)
3)Goku vs Beerus(Movie)
by Bergamo
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:14 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Cabbe is clearly takes his position on the sadla defence force seriously, so it wouldn't make sense for him to spend so much time and effort bolstering his strength. Either Cabbe got to God levels easily, or he spends more time training than protecting people. He is constantly serving the Sadala de...
by Bergamo
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Yeah and that was established a couple sagas prior to. Base Goku matched Final Form Frieza whereas the rest of the Z Fighters didn't stand a chance against him in his first form. His Base form strength skyrocketed like his Super Saiyan strength. Him being far above Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks was pretty...
by Bergamo
Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 38365
Views: 3130312

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Amusing how Jiren told Goku "power gained by destroying your body can't necessarily be wielded properly. You made the very same mistake as that saiyan named Kale earlier," but then he did the same thing this chapter by getting angry and powering up. Jiren didn't destroy his body, and he seemed to h...
by Bergamo
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can the Manga Discussion Thread be Unlocked?
Replies: 1
Views: 500

Can the Manga Discussion Thread be Unlocked?

The Viz translation is out a day early.
by Bergamo
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Why would Goku hold back against Kale when the strategy was to not to wast stamina in the TOP? He was already in SSJ2 against her, if he wanted to hold back power he would not have used Blue. Not to mention no where was it ever implied or stated that Goku was holding back. It's simply not canon Dra...
by Bergamo
Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There is an inconsistency and it's not very hard to see. We know that the SSG multiplier is superior to the Potara multiplier by Goku's own admission. This means that a SSG Goku would ALWAYS be stronger than, at the very least, the base Vegetto he'd create (likely stronger than SS Vegetto, or even ...
by Bergamo
Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:39 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33830
Views: 2140834

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Honestly, Kefla's Base strength is far more of an issue than her SS forms. How is she kicking SSG Goku's ass with a power-up only dozens of times stronger than her individual parts? Is it meant to be dozens of times stronger than Kale & Caulifla's already transformed states but if so, why is she in...
by Bergamo
Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion
Replies: 954
Views: 78462

Re: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion

I disagree STRONGLY. You can tell the difference between deliberate exaggeration and accidental. As I said about Araki, he knows his stuff, and has a strong grasp of anatomy. His manga isn't called "BIZARRE ADVENTURES" for nothing. Toyo's is clearly not deliberate, as I mentioned earlier with the G...
by Bergamo
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion
Replies: 954
Views: 78462

Re: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion

Anyone's art is subject to critique. You learn that very quickly when you're in that world. Just look at how comic book fans can call art trash that the average person would call good. https://i.redd.it/q5mb7xu4zu0y.jpg This picture is a good example. It's a DOPE illustration, but it's got a glarin...
by Bergamo
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion
Replies: 954
Views: 78462

Re: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion

You have to admit Toyotaro absolutely nails certain aspects, such as shading and simplicity. I can't tell you how often I wonder what is even going on while reading another manga like JoJo. Toyotaro has the issue of cluttering panels with text boxes, but his art is very easy to follow. I frankly am...
by Bergamo
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:48 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion
Replies: 954
Views: 78462

Re: Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion

The has good art and captures Toriyama's style a bit better, but...As an artist myself, I can tell you that it isn't really better. While Toyo captures the signature style of the series better, he has a VERY crude understanding of anatomy, if any at all. It's no secret that he sucks at drawing neck...
by Bergamo
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:44 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 38365
Views: 3130312

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Zamasu actually calls out Goku and Vegeta for the saturation of their innate strength with the might and devices of the gods. When you get to the kernel of their life's journeys, you'll find that they have in fact been subsuming their pursuits with the influence of higher celestial forces' power. G...