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by Mad Swami
Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.
Replies: 271
Views: 6290

Re: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.

Doesn't Zeno immediately wipe them out shortly after cloning themselves? It's just not the same impact. In the anime one of the main characters even shoots an energy beam into the sky when Zamasu takes it over and it just blows right through it. In the anime it felt like the stakes were far beyond ...
by Mad Swami
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.
Replies: 271
Views: 6290

Re: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.

I don't understand why people like Fused Zamasu splitting into multiple copies of himself in the manga climax. Not only is it something we've seen before (Cooler movie), but it's also kinda boring? In the anime it felt like Zamasu became this omnipotent energy being taking over the planet itself, t...
by Mad Swami
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.
Replies: 271
Views: 6290

Re: I think its time to admit that Toyotaro is a terrible writer.

Ironically the "Clone Zamasu" plot point might have worked better in the anime. It would've tied into the clone ability that Goku Black displayed in ep. 64: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/9/9f/GokuBlackClones3.png/revision/latest?cb=20161031040655 An endless army of clones th...
by Mad Swami
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.
Replies: 27
Views: 359

Re: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.

Also Gohan is absolutley god level. How? What about Hit, Jiren, and Dyspo however? There's no explanation for them. They appear to be special. I've already accepted that they, and Frieza, are the anomalies, but there's only four of them. That's not a lot. There's the possible headcanon that Dyspo's...
by Mad Swami
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Deploy the Headcanon!
Replies: 88
Views: 2159

Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

I have a theory that perhaps why SSG is similar to Kaioken is because Kaioken is a very watered down god form. Maybe Kais can attune to god ki and in doing so King Kai somewhat made a makeshift god form that is heavily derived from the true god forms. Perhaps when Goku merges Kaioken with the god f...
by Mad Swami
Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Deploy the Headcanon!
Replies: 88
Views: 2159

Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Just thought this up. 1.Piccolo has a tiny little vestigial bit of God Ki in him. How has this ever come in to play? When Cell 'kills' him he survives unexpectadly. So Lets say Piccolo is a 500, and Cell is a 1000. Cell blasts him with an attack with a powerlevel of 502 seemingly plenty enough to k...
by Mad Swami
Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:40 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Deploy the Headcanon!
Replies: 88
Views: 2159

Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

I have a theory that perhaps why SSG is similar to Kaioken is because Kaioken is a very watered down god form. Maybe Kais can attune to god ki and in doing so King Kai somewhat made a makeshift god form that is heavily derived from the true god forms. Perhaps when Goku merges Kaioken with the god fo...
by Mad Swami
Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:18 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.
Replies: 27
Views: 359

Re: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.

Toppo without divine power was SSB level. He became SSBKK level with G.O.D power. I know, but he still received god training, which is shown to raise your base strength dramatically anyway. A17 and the other androids were modified with tech. It's pretty silly that tech would match godly power. It's...
by Mad Swami
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:05 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33317
Views: 1996586

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think it's impossible for Fusion to be greater than MUI since MUI is both the main form of Super, the end-all form, and it was like just introduced. We have not really had a case where something new is introduced only to be dwarfed by a previous power-up. Maybe Namekian Fusion and SSJ but not real...
by Mad Swami
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:19 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.
Replies: 27
Views: 359

Re: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.

Broly is in no way stronger than Jiren I just cant buy that. However, his great power is one of legend. He is a freak of nature. Being modified by tech shouldn't make someone god level however. He might be. It's not clear. It took SSB Gogeta to beat him, and I have a hard time believing Ultra Insti...
by Mad Swami
Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.
Replies: 27
Views: 359

Re: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.

They're some of the most powerful....with divine intervention. Not Broly. He doesn't use divine power, and he's probably more powerful than Jiren. My whole point is the Saiyans only contend with the powerful minority with special boosts as opossed to natural power. It's been like, what, four non-Sa...
by Mad Swami
Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:05 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.
Replies: 27
Views: 359

Re: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.

Really Super has made most other races crazy strong and Saiyans weaker in comparison. This isn't actually true. I think you guys in this thread are making the mistake that, just because it's been shown that there are a number of races that can contend with or are superior to Saiyans (mainly Goku an...
by Mad Swami
Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:29 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.
Replies: 27
Views: 359

Re: Other races potential compared to the saiyans.

Really Super has made most other races crazy strong and Saiyans weaker in comparison. U11 warriors are god-tier fighters without god ki, Frieza has his golden form, the U6 Namekians are potentially SSB level due to them fighting Gohan (Gohan could have held back to reserve stamina. Also they fused a...
by Mad Swami
Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33317
Views: 1996586

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I heard this opinion a while back but I think it's a great idea. Hit should have been the central antagonist of Super/the T.O.P and someone else should have been the villain of the U6 tournament. I wouldn't want Jiren because he's terrible but he could work. 1. Hit's got a great design 2. Hit has ro...
by Mad Swami
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:35 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36711
Views: 2892097

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

You are giving a lot of outside explanations for Goku's reasons of fighting for himself that are not in the story. The fact is, Goku keeping Moro alive for selfish reasons is in Goku's character. He has done this before and it is no mistake. I am using simple context clues . Goku's selfishness is b...
by Mad Swami
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:08 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36711
Views: 2892097

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

No, it wasn't just SS talking to Freeza. Goku demonstrated that same attitude afterwards towards kid buu, Majin Vegeta, even didn't fight for the sake of the earth against Cell. It's a stated fact that the only reason Goku gave Vegeta a senzu was to battle again. BTW was Gohan revived when Goku bro...
by Mad Swami
Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36711
Views: 2892097

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

It is a big issue cause Goku giving Vegeta a senzu, continues the same intentions Goku demonstrated with Moro. Just like with Kid Buu, who is a danger to the universe. Who would be left to protect it as he jumps to every inhabitant planet and wastes it? Again, Goku has shown throughout DB that he p...
by Mad Swami
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:59 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36711
Views: 2892097

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Goku's reason for healing Vegeta wasn't to have him around for aid, but to fight him. Goku fighting Kid Buu head up allowed kid buu to endanger the universe just like Moro. This is the same Goku we have seen for a long time. Kid Buu didn't endanger the universe he can't destroy it. I know Goku heal...
by Mad Swami
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:57 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Angel law and Whis' actions
Replies: 16
Views: 442

Angel law and Whis' actions

Why doesn't Whis rewinding time to save the Earth count as him interfering with mortal business? Is it ever explained? I am just curious how he isn't Merus'd?
by Mad Swami
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 36711
Views: 2892097

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Breaking the Patorra just to have a fair fight with kid buu was a bonehead move. This was noted by the elder Kaioshin. Yeah, Goku doesn't try and fight beings way out of his league. As you mentioned, Super Buu would of killed both he and Vegeta and they relented. This is why he also told Gohan to k...