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by Mad Swami
Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:47 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35419
Views: 1835421

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

A little unconventional but, who is the strongest character Tien(Buu saga) can beat? (without Tri beam explaining the victory)
Essentially who is Tien able to keep up with? I would say at best base Goku because personally I would say Base Goku is like 22M-45M. That is still high balling Tien however
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:46 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The grade multipliers
Replies: 6
Views: 404

Re: The grade multipliers

Well , grades have to be stronger than normal ssj as a multiplier. Simply do grade 2 = x60 or x62,5, and grade 3 = grade 2 X1,5 that's perfect. Also, i forgot ti Say that grade 2 appears ti be quicker than standard ssj other than stronger, the only form with the Speed issue Is grade 3 Grade 2 I don...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:34 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Yes Goku as SSJ3 was always stronger. I think he was saying Base Goku never reaches that level which he doesn't because that would be silly Well Base Goku isn't as strong as Hit or Jiren either. Sorry I must have worded it poorly. I was trying to explain what I thought that guy was trying to say be...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Progressed, definitely, but to the point of being stronger than pure Buu? That's pure conjecture. If we're strictly talking power, Goku's SSJ3 form was already more powerful than pure Buu. The problem was it rapidly drains ki, which starkly contrasted with Buu's apparent limitless stamina, and endu...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:10 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Melee_Sovereign wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:36 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:30 pm

I think your miss remembering the scene. Goku is giddy with excitement at the prospect of fighting Uub
Being excited about fighting someone, isn't necessarily the same as seeing them as a rival.
Well by rival I mean fight buddy, which is exactly how he viewed Uub
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:30 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Goku even says "After I train you we can then fight and go all out! Doesn't that sound amazing!" Which doesn't make them rivals. It makes them sparring partners. Broly, he actually sees as a friendly rival, hence "call me Kakarot" type thing. It's simply two different types of character relationshi...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

My point is why focus on grooming Uub to be his rival when he can fight Broly a bunch. I don't think the focus was ever Uub being groomed into being a rival. From what I remember, it was more of an apprenticeship type relationship. Uub could even be the first step of Goku maturing. People, as they ...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

I don't even think it was potential as much as latent. He was growing stronger as the fight went along. There's nothing to take that significance away. Except the point about Goku having far surpassed Buu by that point. which version of Buu? Kid Buu he was always a bit stronger than and I don't thi...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:18 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Why would Goku after befriending Broly, Jiren, or even Hit for that matter care about Uub. Why wouldn't he care? He's Goku. He likes meeting people who are strong, and he tends to be encouraging of those with that type of potential, even if they are significantly weaker than himself or other oppone...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:07 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: "Stealth" Kaioken
Replies: 5
Views: 310

"Stealth" Kaioken

On Namek Goku uses kaioken x20 on Frieza. However manages to disguise the crimson aura as he seemed as though he was still in his base. So do yu guys think he has used this anywhere else? In my lowest ball version of Z power levels I placed Goku at 19,300,000 and Yakon is confirmed to be 40,000,000 ...
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:50 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: DB vs the moon
Replies: 7
Views: 418

Re: DB vs the moon

Well I take it as When Kami was revived, he brought it back. That or the Earth endured a while with no moon until resurrecting Tien(Because they got 3 wishes if I am remembering correctly, two for Tien and Chaiotzu and the final for the moon
by Mad Swami
Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:46 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Again, incorrect. Buu was the being Goku thought was the strongest in the universe. As it turns out, he wasn't anywhere close. How does that ending work when he faces WAY stronger opponents after Buu? Easy: Uub came back way more powerful than Buu. A 10 year old reincarnate with more power than Bro...
by Mad Swami
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Probably a good time to mention that, in the span of six weeks of gravity training and a Zenkai healing session, Goku goes from just barely being able to fend off Vegeta at 8,000+ to starting a fight with Final Form Frieza at 3,000,000. DBZ Reddit Power Level Arguement Math: 8,000 to 3,000,000 is a...
by Mad Swami
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: General Fan Fiction Thread
Replies: 1697
Views: 144106

Re: General Fan Fiction Thread

Can you guys try and help me out? I write my own retelling of GT on Fanfiction.com. Should I use Super 17 or add a different villain?
by Mad Swami
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:11 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

I disagree. Goku end of Z never reaches billions that's crazy. He reaches like higher millions but even then not hundred millions. Nothing says that he would be Cell level in base Probably a good time to mention that, in the span of six weeks of gravity training and a Zenkai healing session, Goku g...
by Mad Swami
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:27 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

I sort of started this to talk about some issues with Super not out of hate just to chat with people. I am for the most part just talking about the anime because the problem is far greater there then the manga. Dragon Ball Super.... before you could say this but now it is quite wrong ... Haven't ca...
by Mad Swami
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:26 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

but Uub wasn't equal to Kid Buu. He had Buu's potential, Goku fights him in base(back when base was not god like) that should say he is no where near Kid Buu level of power Right, because Dragon Ball is FAMOUS for having characters stick to a singular stated value of power for all their lives. :pro...
by Mad Swami
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:13 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Goku kept an eye out for Uub because of his sheer potential as a fighter. Buu was WAY more powerful than him, more powerful than Vegeta or Cell or anything he had ever met before, so his request to Yenma taking Uub under his wing is to start training his next great rival and forge his own mountain ...
by Mad Swami
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:17 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

However now why would Uub re spark Goku's fighting spirit!? Goku kept an eye out for Uub because of his sheer potential as a fighter. Buu was WAY more powerful than him, more powerful than Vegeta or Cell or anything he had ever met before, so his request to Yenma taking Uub under his wing is to sta...
by Mad Swami
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:13 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: My biggest issue with Super
Replies: 76
Views: 2370

Re: My biggest issue with Super

Super does not equal DBZ. If you want to enjoy Super, it does not help if you take it too serious. The show is basically a parody of DBZ in a large number of aspects. I don't say there is no bad writing involved at occasions. But it's not meant all that seriously. Take it with a gram of salt. Once ...