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by DBZGTKOSDH
Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Kale's Super Saiyan forms
Replies: 44
Views: 3696

Re: Kale's Super Saiyan forms

My take on this whole matter is that SSBerserk (my personal name for Kale's form) is, on a technical basis, the same form as SSRage, which Future Trunks used in the anime rendition of his main story arc before the current one. I believe these forms represent the pinnacle of Saiyan power without the...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:53 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase
Replies: 48
Views: 3455

Re: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase

Kaio only agreed of Goku being able to transform. No, Kaio agreed to everything Beerus said & called him very knowledgable for that. If you feel like this contradicts the original manga or you personal opinions about the base Saiyans' power, that's another story. But if Beerus was wrong when saying...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase
Replies: 48
Views: 3455

Re: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase

Kaio only agreed of Goku being able to transform. No, Kaio agreed to everything Beerus said & called him very knowledgable for that. If you feel like this contradicts the original manga or you personal opinions about the base Saiyans' power, that's another story. But if Beerus was wrong when saying...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Kale's Super Saiyan forms
Replies: 44
Views: 3696

Re: Kale's Super Saiyan forms

OK, I renamed the form, can we move on from names now? This thread isn't about the names of the forms, I just used these names because they are easy to understand which forms I'm talking about.
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Kale's Super Saiyan forms
Replies: 44
Views: 3696

Re: Kale's Super Saiyan forms

Who the heck calls the less-buff SS form Kale has Super Saiyan Green? It's like, a very slightly duller shade of gold than regular SS. Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if Berserk increases her power, Broly's LSS got stronger between appearances too. It is more buff than regular Super Saiyan (but le...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Kale's Super Saiyan forms
Replies: 44
Views: 3696

Kale's Super Saiyan forms

I was watching Kale's fights again, and I noticed something... is it just me, or she gets stronger the more she fights in he Super Saiyan Berserker form? She starts fighting evenly with SS Cabba, then overpowers him, but SS2 Caulifla is strong enough to deflect her ki blast with one hand. Then in th...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:27 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase
Replies: 48
Views: 3455

Re: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase

Observing what? A perfectly calm and relaxed Goku? After observing someone whose power he had never seen at full power before? He said "the way you are now" because he was in base form in that moment, not in Super Saiyan. Then he goes on to say that he learned that he can transform and that's why G...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:26 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase
Replies: 48
Views: 3455

Re: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase

No, as I said, he reiterates what Whis told him, he couldn't beat Freeza the way he was, but learned that he had to transform. Beerus literally says that base Goku can't beat Freeza the way he is right now after carefully observing him. You should watch the scene again. You may disagree with the sc...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:11 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase
Replies: 48
Views: 3455

Re: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase

I remember that, but he's not referring to Movie 14 base Goku. Whis told him that Goku couldn't beat Freeza and had to transform (being able to surpass Freeza's power upon transforming). Then Beerus tells the same when he meets Goku, he learned that Freeza saga base Goku couldn't defeat Freeza and ...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:14 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase
Replies: 48
Views: 3455

Re: SSJ Multiplier Can Increase

Okay, so almost the whole DB Community knows the SSJ Multiplier which is 50x. There has been theories that states that the multipliers decrease, or increase. I actually think the multiplier increases for a fully mastered Super Saiyan. It's been proven by Toriyama's statement in an interview. "Super...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:02 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Saiyan Beyond God
Replies: 18
Views: 1357

Re: Saiyan Beyond God

Okay, so I know this "Saiyan Beyond God" name isn't official and it was just used in DBH. Okay, so I have a few questions in mind about this. So we all know that Goku absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God into his base form right? Then with training with Whis, and not letting his ki leak out, his ...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What about Saiyan beyond god/2 base theory now?
Replies: 102
Views: 6650

Re: What about Saiyan beyond god/2 base theory now?

There is not. "Saiyan Beyond God" is not the FORM. It's the ABILITY NAME. When activated, the ability "Saiyan Beyond God" transforms Goku in Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. More specifically: the card shows Goku in normal form, as specified by the back of the card So, at best, the Saiyan Beyond...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:05 pm
Forum: Video Games
Topic: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 14137
Views: 1251043

Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

What increase does Kale get from the transformation compared to the other Saiyan transformations? I don't care if video-game battle powers don't matter BTW, I'm just curious. And it's not the same form as Broli's Legendary Super Saiyan in the game, right? SS = +2000 Power Stressed (SSG2/3) = +2500 S...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What about Saiyan beyond god/2 base theory now?
Replies: 102
Views: 6650

Re: What about Saiyan beyond god/2 base theory now?

So why is there a Saiyan beyond god form in Heroes? There is not. "Saiyan Beyond God" is not the FORM. It's the ABILITY NAME. When activated, the ability "Saiyan Beyond God" transforms Goku in Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. More specifically: the card shows Goku in normal form, as specified by...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:09 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: How SSB/SSR is achieved, and what happens to base with God power
Replies: 8
Views: 650

Re: How SSB/SSR is achieved, and what happens to base with God power

Duo wrote:All of your images appear to be broken.
I think they should work now (I also updated the OP).
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:00 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 30052
Views: 1958901

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Well, he just didn't but that could be asked for Goku, Gohan, Vegeeta, etc. Maybe at the time he was focused on getting to the past to deal with the issue, maybe Black saying it was all his fault was the last straw. Still, it is really weird when Trunks doesn't transform after seeing Black killing ...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: How SSB/SSR is achieved, and what happens to base with God power
Replies: 8
Views: 650

How SSB/SSR is achieved, and what happens to base with God power

The manga didn't show if Goku absorbed the power of God in his base/SS forms, but we know this happened in BoG, and his base & SS forms became as strong as SSG. By the time of FnF, Goku & Vegeta had the power of SSG in their base forms, and their SS forms had now become SSB. But by the time of the U...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 30052
Views: 1958901

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Just because it is somewhat visually different doesn't mean it's a new form. He powered up through rage, what further explanation is needed? No one commented on his looks so why can't that just be a visual clue to the audience? The problem is, why didn't he transform earlier? He had more reasons to...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:57 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 30052
Views: 1958901

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Toyotaro seems more respectful with power levels. Trunks never got a ass pull power boost. SS2 thats it. A strong one but cant go up against SS Rose Black. To be fair, in the manga, Trunks can use a power-up while in Super Saiyan 2, that's what puts him on Super Saiyan 3 Goku level. Not an asspull ...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:14 pm
Forum: Video Games
Topic: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 14137
Views: 1251043

Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Not that I don't like Kaioken, but isn't Super Vegito using it somewhat irrelevant? I mean he already has SS3, and Vegito would have to go all the way past 8x for it to really be meaningful. Also, I wanna see SSBKK Vegito. Or go new and unique, SS3KK. Kaio-ken can go up to x20. Far better than Supe...