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by Miracles
Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Freeza fought evenly with base Goku before the TOP. Then FF Freeza fought evenly with Dyspo who was punking Hit and Red Goku in the TOP. The only reason why people debate this is because, once again; TOEI's bad writing. Therefore we have to go to the canonical source. Toriyama's RoF movie. FF Freeza...
by Miracles
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:30 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Canon fact: Vegetto and Zamas were equal. Vegetto used his full power Final Kamehameha claiming this would "finish it." It did not. Canon fact 2: Vegetto also knew he only had an hour, so he wanted to end the battle as quickly as possible. Yet failed. Canon fact three: Zamasu was "no longer immortal...
by Miracles
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:22 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74393
Views: 4605813

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

sangofe wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:18 am
Miracles wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:45 pm
The bottom line: The magazine is actually continuing Super's canonical without the TV series.
Can't really look at it as something on the side anymore.
"The magazine"?
lol

My bad...Meant comic.
by Miracles
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:42 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

And after all of that from Vegetto, couldn't still beat Zamas. So it was an evenly matched fight.
by Miracles
Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Yes Zamasu did. Their entire fight was back and forth. With no decider for victory.
by Miracles
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:45 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74393
Views: 4605813

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

The bottom line: The magazine is actually continuing Super's canonical without the TV series.
Can't really look at it as something on the side anymore.
by Miracles
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

ZombieVito wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:37 pm
Zarely wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:56 pm
Shin thought Vegito was probably stronger than Beerus.
Suppressed Jiren is stronger than the Zamasu that stalemated Vegetto Blue.

So he can't be stronger or that close to Beerus.
Bingo!
by Miracles
Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Only when Vegetto was powering up his strongest attack. Which we all know raises battle power. However, even Toyotaro said that Shin's statement isn't truth. Therefore, Vegetto without Final Kamehameha is weaker than Beerus. We also know Beerus was out of Vegetto's league to this date anyway. Shin's...
by Miracles
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:00 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don't think the list coincides with the story.
by Miracles
Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:05 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74393
Views: 4605813

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Even Toriyama understands that he is the authority [canon]. That DB must adhere to his rules. Does going off-model count? Toriyama has this strange thing for skinnier characters now and Toei and Toyotaro have to very clearly deviate from some of his designs. Toriyama let TOEI design Legendary Broly...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:41 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74393
Views: 4605813

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

^Two things stand out for me in those links you provided... 1. Toriyama states that he watches/reads anime/manga. Taking ideas from them and put's it in "his work." 2. Toriyama also stated that Toyotaro is the most faithful to his story and art. Even Toriyama understands that he is the authority [ca...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So I guess Kuririn is god tier then. Cool. That was a TOEI inconsistency to the plot. It was contradicted in the TOP where their narration said Goku can only use Blue when necessary for fear of it's power drain. DB canon never had them power up to their best form just to lower it to farmer level. T...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So the rest of the fighters will lose the will to fight when Jiren beats someone weaker than the fighter he beat 9 episodes earlier? OK. I'm not arguing Kale is stronger than Blue Goku. I'm merely stating the narrative fact that Goku going Blue isn't him holding back. So I guess Kuririn is god tier...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: “Godly ki” is nothing more than perfect ki control
Replies: 10
Views: 441

Re: “Godly ki” is nothing more than perfect ki control

God ki automatically is power not appearing superficially. So to obtain it, it's naturally kept inside, for more of a power boost. Which is why it can't be sensed by mortals. This Yardrat training is a different type of ki control tho. The Yardrats mentioned controlling ki in terms of a manipulating...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

You can believe what you like. Having rewatched 109, even Kai describes Goku Blue as "his full power state". Hell, he tells Belmod that beating Goku will make the other warriors lose their will to fight. If Kale was already stronger than Blue then this wouldn't make sense. That doesn't state Goku's...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31317
Views: 2276144

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Moro is still a mystery. He has been steadily revealing himself/plans in increments. We learn about his backstory, being a sworn enemy of Dai Kai and the Galactic Patrol. Giving him connection to the DB world. From there Moro's mission is to get his magic back. Which took most of Dai Kai's god ki to...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74393
Views: 4605813

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

I don't think anyone truly doubts that the TV series will return. Even the man himself, Toriyama stated that the show would not be running "for the time being." That means the absence is only temporarily. We cannot know for certain. Yes, we might get another tv-series, but it could be as well over ...
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31317
Views: 2276144

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I think we should wait and see what Moro truly has till his final battle. So far his main threatening magic has been the center. Rightfully so, since he is in a universe that dominantly depends on H2H backed by energy. However Moro has shown glimpses of mind reading, universal sensing, even clones....
by Miracles
Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 1612506

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It was. Goku himself says he will use only a little more power while going Blue and Belmod said Goku was going to finally go full power in Blue right before his fight with Jiren. That doesn't say he's holding back. Nor did it mean he's holding back cause he went Blue. That's just headcanon trying t...
by Miracles
Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74393
Views: 4605813

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

I don't think anyone truly doubts that the TV series will return. Even the man himself, Toriyama stated that the show would not be running "for the time being."

That means the absence is only temporarily.