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by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:04 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong is Base Goku?
Replies: 266
Views: 17803

Re: How strong is Base Goku?

I can't see any legitimate logic to it from an in-universe OR out-of-universe perspective. In-universe and out-of-universe, it seems to invalidate the thought process that Goku and Vegeta are legitimately getting stronger and stronger overall, and seems to invalidate the notion that their opponents...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:08 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong is Base Goku?
Replies: 266
Views: 17803

Re: How strong is Base Goku?

People are trying to keep Buu-era Goku relevant to make everyone else's power levels seem realistic, when Android 17 and plenty of other characters have shown that that's completely unnecessary. I think a valid explanation is that Goku absorbed some amount of Super Saiyan God's power with Vegeta cat...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:15 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Are present Trunks and future Trunks technically brothers rather than the same person?
Replies: 15
Views: 1235

Re: Are present Trunks and future Trunks technically brothers rather than the same person?

Vegeta and Bulma's altered behavior before and during pregnancy would have notable impact, I think. Timing of growth spurts, ease of attaining Super Saiyan, etc. And Super Saiyan Rage could easily count as a mental disorder.
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:36 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Does God ki have to be unlocked or can it be gained over time?
Replies: 24
Views: 1214

Re: Does God ki have to be unlocked or can it be gained over time?

Is it confirmed Dende/Kami has it? If so, who bestowed it upon them?
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:52 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32296
Views: 1816961

Re: Official Unofficial "Dragon Ball Super" Power Level Discussion Thread

The conversation implies 17 was holding back in the same capacity SSJB Goku was. Not that it's true, but the story suggests they're in the same ballpark (your definition may vary) and at this point there's no reason to believe otherwise. If it is true, current 17 will be stronger than Golden Frieza ...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:55 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why did Zamasu choose black?
Replies: 7
Views: 657

Re: Why did Zamasu choose black?

Black is the new orange.
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32296
Views: 1816961

Re: Official Unofficial "Dragon Ball Super" Power Level Discussion Thread

Reminder that both Vegeta and Freeza got on Super Saiyan God Goku's level via a few months' training. If they can do that (combined with the "MY BULMA!"s and Super Saiyan Rages that we'll be seeing), then I don't see why any other character is disqualified from doing the same thing. (...Even if it's...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:11 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong is Base Goku?
Replies: 266
Views: 17803

Re: How strong is Base Goku?

To borrow from this week's episode, it'd be like saying that because Krillin now has his new improved Taiyoken that he no longer has any idea how to do the original version. The original version may now be less effective so he doesn't bother to use it, but "not" does not equate to "can't". Krillin ...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:51 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong is Base Goku?
Replies: 266
Views: 17803

Re: How strong is Base Goku?

So wouldn't training to get there eradicate Vegeta's old base completely, or at least make it extremely close to the new one in power? I don't see how the contrast between pre and post-ritual Goku can exist with Vegeta when the anime implies he attained God power so naturally and gradually.
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:04 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong is Base Goku?
Replies: 266
Views: 17803

Re: How strong is Base Goku?

I still want to know how people proposing the Two Base theory think it works for Vegeta. He trained to attain SSG all on his own and we're supposed to pretend that Vegeta's regular base isn't leagues above Goku's?
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:06 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong is Base Goku?
Replies: 266
Views: 17803

Re: How strong is Base Goku?

Close enough to however strong Vegeta had to get to access SSG/SSB via training.

So not SSG, but close.
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:24 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32296
Views: 1816961

Re: Official Unofficial "Dragon Ball Super" Power Level Discussion Thread

My theory on power levels is still that efficiency of training is determined by motivation and motivation is determined by how exposed to a high power level a character is + how wide the gap is between that power level and their own. Freeza got as powerful as he did in RoF because he had a specific ...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:45 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32296
Views: 1816961

Re: Official Unofficial "Dragon Ball Super" Power Level Discussion Thread

So I had an idea ... and this may come across as really stupid. I'm just throwing out an idea, so forgive me if it seems idiotic. I stumbled upon this entry. It is clearly a page created for something that was a mistake in the coloring of Super Saiyan Goku during the filler Other World Tournament a...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32296
Views: 1816961

Re: Official Unofficial "Dragon Ball Super" Power Level Discussion Thread

Like someone said earlier, the two-base theory is a failed pursuit when no one here can make sense of it, much less Toei. It's best to look at how things appear to work now and retroactively apply it to the past as much as possible, assuming you're invested in Super's future. I don't think there's a...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:54 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How did [Manga] Vegeta train three years in the RoSaT and not pick up on Blue's main weakness?
Replies: 11
Views: 880

Re: How did [Manga] Vegeta train three years in the RoSaT and not pick up on Blue's main weakness?

Maybe the assumption by Goku and Vegeta of it being a fundamental weakness went unchallenged until Vegeta was embarrassed enough to prove otherwise. I think it's been proven that characters can undergo generic training for years and it still be worthless compared to training with a very specific pur...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:13 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How did [Manga] Vegeta train three years in the RoSaT and not pick up on Blue's main weakness?
Replies: 11
Views: 880

Re: How did [Manga] Vegeta train three years in the RoSaT and not pick up on Blue's main weakness?

Pretty sure he knew about the weakness. What he didn't know about was Hit's actual power and technique, which is why he took the gamble of weakening himself. Even if he suspected Hit to be strong, taking into account his experience, being God Tier is very unlikely. He had been manhandling everybody...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:39 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How did [Manga] Vegeta train three years in the RoSaT and not pick up on Blue's main weakness?
Replies: 11
Views: 880

How did [Manga] Vegeta train three years in the RoSaT and not pick up on Blue's main weakness?

We know Vegeta overcame the "You can't transform into Super Saiyan Blue more than once in a limited timeframe" when he entered the RoSaT for six months between fights with Black, but how was he not made aware of this when he and Goku were there for three years prior to the Universe 6 tournament? Doe...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32296
Views: 1816961

Re: Official Unofficial "Dragon Ball Super" Power Level Discussion Thread

The difference between Goku and the other Super Saiyan Gods is that, however you want to classify it, his ritual didn't run out when everyone (including Beerus) thought it would. At the end of BoG Goku is even shown tapping into the form itself one last time after it had run out, which means his rit...
by Bulma's Foot Masseur
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:58 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 34004
Views: 2603012

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Do we know what is said exactly when Goku talks about Vegeta overcoming his SSB transformation weakness? Curious about the wording of the explanation.