Kanzenshuu

Thing is though, at least in the anime, that Kaio himself backs up the "five minutes" figure by claiming that "Less than a minute remains" in episode 103. It takes another three episodes for the planet to explode after this. This line does not exist in the manga, but then in the...

Freeza is not an omnipotent god who can perfectly predict what will happen in the future and when.. he could have easily made a bad prediction and thats all. Yeah, I don't really think this line is the big deal that many make it out to be (at least from an in-universe perspective). Freeza's more-or...

The argument that there's no ambiguity in terms of which aspects of the brand specifically gets pushed by Shueisha doesn't fly I said that the amount of ambiguity is exaggerated, not that there is none. It's not as difficult to disambiguate here as one might think, but some disambiguation is certai...

To be honest, I think trying to identify a "main product" for "the Super era" as a whole is a fruitless endeavor so long as we ignore way in which the "revival era" we've been in since 2013 basically divides into three smaller "sub-eras": pre-Super (2013-2015)...

As for the idea that the Super anime was "the main product", now that Super is basically over I think its probably time to put this myth to bed. Like the original series, the Super anime was an adaptation of the manga, although one that got way farther ahead of the source material than I ...

Let people have unpopular opinions without blasting them with reasons why they shouldn't have it. Expecting no pushback in a thread where the point is to state unpopular opinions is a bit unrealistic. More than that, this is a forum. An "Unpopular Opinions" thread on a forum ought to moti...

Finally, visuals to match the quality of the story.

Cure Dragon 255 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:55 pm Inb4 the Gohan fans realize this means Gohan is stronger now. Since he showed WAY MORE power and potential as a kid than Goku. To be honest I just realized this and it would be so much fun to see.

I'm looking forward to Gohan being weaker regardless, and seeing the Gohan fans riot in the streets.

I agree with a lot of what's being said here, but there are a few ideas I want to put some pressure on. While it's true that Goku generally does have the nebulous and infinite goal of improving himself, in both the original run and in the Super TV anime there were some static goals that acted as tem...

When both the TV anime and the manga were running at the same time, I definitely saw the manga as the stronger and more interesting work and was what I preferred. It was in the same medium as the original work, Toriyama seemed to have more of a hand in overseeing it, there was less fluff, it was bei...

I do agree the ToP would've worked as a good ending since it does kinda come full circle with what was established in BoG. I think the issue is that Broly and SH continue where the ToP left off so they're not like Wrath of the Dragon that's more of a bonus movie taking place after the Buu saga. If ...

Goku is written as a experienced martial artist, that normally masters skills that are normally impossible. It would be weird if Goku never masters this skill, which is UI. DBS Anime = Goku can't use UI at will. He can't turn into it after ToP. DBS Broly Movie = Goku can't turn into UI, he failed t...

ZombieVito wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:17 pm

Psajdak wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:35 pm What are you talking about?

Super did end properly.

No it didn't.

Goku still hasn't mastered UI and Freeza is still alive.

Why do either of those things have to happen in order for Super to "end properly"?

TheMikado wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:51 am To frame this more succinctly there is a faction of the fandom which truly believes:
Toriyama = Good content.
Non-Toriyama = bad content

I didn't realize the contingent of people who think Dragon Ball Minus is good was large enough to constitute a "faction".

As far as restriction and freedom go, I think both can cause Toriyama to bring out some good stuff. For a more restricted Toriyama, I think it depends on who's restricting him. I think a lot of Dragon Ball's best stuff was made when Toriyama was working with Torishima, so I think it could be really ...

But the devil is in the details, which is that "area of expertise" I just mentioned. Everything from the manga's first arcs to Piccolo to Vegeta to Freeza to Cell and especially Boo has been built on Toriyama violating tropes, swerving against common predictions and build-up, and even der...

ZeroNeonix wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:07 pm Yes, thank you. Subverting expectations doesn't make anything good or bad. You can subvert expectations in a good way or a bad way. Just look at the second movie in the Disney Star Wars trilogy.

Exactly, a case of subverting in a good way.

giving DB a chance when it thrives at doing what it does best – going in the exact, polar opposite direction of what the masses want. That's not really true though, is it? Dragon Ball thrived during its original run by doing what the masses wanted. The Journey to the West parody adventure story the...

If it was just size-changing, then why are Goten and Trunks babies? Honestly, why are Goten and Trunks babies? It clearly didn't de-age people by a set amount of years, because Roshi looks to be as youthful as most of the rest of them. But if Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, etc. are turned no younger than Ro...

cuartas wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:10 pmis there like an actual reason for not continuing the manga?

Nobody said the manga's ending. Might have a Daima adaptation arc!