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by ZombieVito
Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:25 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I rewatched Cabba vs Vegeta and I found myself confused with the end result, mainly because I didn't notice it before and didn't read any discussions about it either: Cabba seems to be able to keep up with Base Vegeta, and later on SS Cabba pushes SS Veggie around for a bit, but the fight ends with...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

How strong do you guys think Cabba and the other Universe 6 Saiyans are supposed to be? I recently made a poll for my YouTube channel and it seems like the vocal minority subscribes to the "Base Vegeta = Base Cabba" notion while the non-vocal majority seems to believe that Cabba is weaker than Cell...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Most fans are clueless when it comes to power scaling. Base Cabba was said to be equal to the same base Vegeta that the Commeson water copied and then owned SS3 Gotenks. Cabba would finger flick Cell. I could say the same about everyone lol. Not just us fans, I don't think even Toei understands the...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34451
Views: 1417985

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

I appreciate the response Koitsukai and Zamasu55 ! I see no issues with most of the matchups, but I'm not so sure about this one: 5. Base Goku (Tournament of Power) VS SS Cabba (Universe 6 Arc) - Still Cabba. We see Base Vegeta push away Monna easily with a single Ki Blast, while Cabba was no match...
by ZombieVito
Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:22 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That's factually wrong. Gogeta and Vegetto were officially stated to be equal. Time limit doesn't make one stronger than the other. Vegetto stated merged Zamas isn't immortal anymore because of Black being part of Zamas body now. It's the same reason Gowasu gave to Goku and Vegeta on why his body w...
by ZombieVito
Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

For consistency sake. There is no true answer whether the Saiyan Zenkai worked since he fused with Zamas a non saiyan. Just like he lost immortality when he fused with a mortal. Your not making canoncial sense. How does Vegetto pwning zamas in the manga make him inferior to Gogeta? There was no tim...
by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Except your reasons are not explained in the story by TOEI. As a matter of fact, they say the light was Zamas failing to regenerate himself after getting injured by a tired Goku. Why would they need to explain it again when literally -in the previous episode- we have Black aknowledging how he can b...
by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:54 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Guys TOEI Dropped the ball on merged Zamas. They had him get overpowered [and injured] by Blue Goku and Vegeta a few times. Then go on and have him fight equally with Vegetto is ludicrous writing. The manga did it right with Vegetto just outright dominating Zamas and then have him fightign equally ...
by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Guys TOEI Dropped the ball on merged Zamas. They had him get overpowered [and injured] by Blue Goku and Vegeta a few times. Then go on and have him fight equally with Vegetto is ludicrous writing. The manga did it right with Vegetto just outright dominating Zamas and then have him fightign equally ...
by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I never told that Zamas wasn’t holding back though. Just reiterating that halo version is what can be overpowered by two Super Saiyans Blue. Zamas at full power in the anime obviously is much stronger, since he can handle Vegetto Blue for a while. But that's my point. Halo Fused Zamasu CAN be overp...
by ZombieVito
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Goku Black and Zamasu split because one of them wasn't a Kaioshin.
Replies: 5
Views: 1390

Re: Goku Black and Zamasu split because one of them wasn't a Kaioshin.

Shin and Kibito didn't split, but the latter was an apprentice, because the old Kaioshin didn't as well. Was merged Zamasu an oversight by Toyotaro or is there something else to be explained? Could there be a special relationship between Shin-jins not yet Kaioshins that backfired once Zamasu became...
by ZombieVito
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:27 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34451
Views: 1417985

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Ginyu [Tagoma] vs Cell Jr. Gohan [Post Z sword] vs Kid Gohan [Cell Games]. 1st Form Freeza [RoF] vs Perfect Cell [Zenkai]. Kuririn [ToP] vs Base Future Trunks [Cell Games]. Tenshinhan [ToP] vs Base Vegeta [Post 1st RoSaT]. Base Vegeta [BoG] vs 70% Final Form Freeza [Namek]. Pui Pui vs 1st Form Freez...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Hos base would be weaker if Golden Freeza is only even to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku as of now. My theory is that Freeza in order to eliminate the strain of his Golden form he reduced the multiplier. Think of it like in RoF he used SSG2 and in the ToP he used SS. That's the only way I can e...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Going off of Resurrection ‘F’, both movie and retelling, true form Freeza was weaker than base for Goku even with his Golden form being stronger. I'm talking about now. They're all within the same general range such that they pretty much stalemate one another. Hos base would be weaker if Golden Fre...
by ZombieVito
Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 34451
Views: 1417985

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Note that the characters that aren't from a specified Era are meant to represent their final appearance in terms of power. Vegeta (Super Saiyan 2 Quake of Fury) VS Goku Black (Base/Saiyan Beyond God) Gotenks (Super Saiyan 3) VS Freeza (3rd Form, Resurrection F) Future Trunks (Super Saiyan 2 Rage) V...
by ZombieVito
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:55 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Miracles wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:11 pm
The second fiddle statement would put Vegeta below Freeza too. Since Freeza is equal to the one ahead of Vegeta.
Beat me to it haha.

At the end of the day you can believe what you want but I'll always go with official information.
by ZombieVito
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

there are direct comparisons between SSG and SSB facing the same enemies , which have totally different levels than what was shown in GT and that would be enough to put both forms above SSJ4 What are you talking about? Simply put, SSG has made much bigger feats and has faced enemies that also rank ...
by ZombieVito
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Just like everything else in DBS, SSG has more feats and demonstrations of power than anything ever shown by SSJ4 in DBGT (not only that, but its performances against higher level enemies as well). Comparing characters from such different media is tricky, but definitely SSG seems to be a level far ...
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

supersaiyangodgogeta wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:44 pm
Probably about as strong as God of Destruction Toppo since Golden Frieza=SSB=Base Toppo.
Golden Freeza is stronger than base Toppo though.
by ZombieVito
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30574
Views: 1514819

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Actually, SSB at under 10% power is below SSG. It seems like the manga's stamina-draining normal SSB could rest around approx. 5 times greater than SSG, while its completed state is an exact 10 times like in the anime and recent movie. Yup. While Blue being 10 times God would be nice to reduce the ...