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by Hugo Boss
Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:04 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33845
Views: 2152188

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think you could more or less interpret that assessment as Vegeta having more pure power than Goku, but Goku having more speed and better movements, which in a brawl between close opponents makes him deliver better showing. In another hand, Vegeta’s technique gives him an edge against the toughest ...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*
Replies: 23
Views: 512

Re: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*

Yuzun threw a (super large) building towards Base Vegeta, which we know weighs many times more than the 1000 tons that is Magetta.. And it flew to him at super-speeds aswell even!, yet Base Vegeta still casually swatted it aside, like a fly, (with just ONE hand!) We don’t have confirmation on how m...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:14 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*
Replies: 23
Views: 512

Re: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*

Yuzun threw a (super large) building towards Base Vegeta, which we know weighs many times more than the 1000 tons that is Magetta.. And it flew to him at super-speeds aswell even!, yet Base Vegeta still casually swatted it aside, like a fly, (with just ONE hand!) We don’t have confirmation on how m...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33845
Views: 2152188

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think there is a noticeable difference between being sure of his strength, which is not so surprising, since Goku is one of the select group of people that wield godly strength, and thinking he was the strongest combatant out there. If that was the right interpretation to make, that his SSB form s...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:49 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*
Replies: 23
Views: 512

Re: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*

Even if Base Gogeta were stronger than SSB Vegeta (which is not confirmed anyway), we don’t know how SSBE Vegeta compares to them. If Goku’s fight against Kafla is any indicative, it’s likely that SSBE Vegeta is comparable to SS Broly or SS Gogeta. SS Full Power Broly only managed to surpass SS Goge...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33845
Views: 2152188

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That’s unlikely, since Goku doesn’t rank himself above God of Destruction level either, which Jiren already proved to be. His line is basically a confirmation that Broly and Jiren are on the same rank.
by Hugo Boss
Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:25 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*
Replies: 23
Views: 512

Re: Saganbo was extremely surprised to hear that Yuzun.. *SPOILERS*

Vegeta’s battle power was rapidly decreasing when Saganbo met him the first time so he couldn’t know the full extent of Vegeta’s strength anyway. And Saganbo probably overestimated Yuzun’s strength as well. He couldn’t be more powerful than Moro himself, for example, who was weaker than SSBlue that ...
by Hugo Boss
Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:22 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 20
Views: 522

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

I wonder how a future fusion between Goku and Vegeta would operate under those condition. Could they use Ultra Instinct or God of Destruction technique? Or neither? Maybe going as far as SSBE, since it doesn’t require a specific state of mind to be used, as far as we know.
by Hugo Boss
Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:07 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..
Replies: 15
Views: 225

Re: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..

While I agree that Whis understands how Ultra Instinct functions, he never had witnessed how it looked like on Goku. So, it was only after seeing how unstable Goku was that he assumed Goku achieved the Sign state, not the completed version. Anyway, while there are strong implications that Beerus can...
by Hugo Boss
Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:20 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..
Replies: 15
Views: 225

Re: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..

To be fair, when Beerus claimed Goku achieved Ultra Instinct before him, they mistook that form for the True Ultra Instinct. It was only after Goku lost the form, that Whis realized and observed that form was only the Sign. So, it seems plausible that Beerus was implying he can’t use the True Ultra ...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:16 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Do Villains Such As Freeza or Moro Know About The Potara?
Replies: 5
Views: 135

Re: Do Villains Such As Frieza or Moro Know About The Potara?

Freeza knows that fusion is possible as of Dragonball Super: Broly, although that was from the dance, not the potara. I'm sure that he and everyone else also saw Kefla merge with the Potara at the ToP. Forgot about that. Although I think he was busy with Dyspo at the time, IIRC. He was paying atten...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:52 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Can Kaioshin's power be felt by mortals?
Replies: 23
Views: 365

Re: Can Kaioshin's power be felt by mortals?

Mireya wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:56 am
aren't the Hakaishins also appointed to their function? I don't know.
The idea that there are God of Destruction candidates suggest they don’t born gods. Whis also implies either Goku or Vegeta could fill that role, if Beerus ever leaves it.
by Hugo Boss
Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:47 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!
Replies: 23
Views: 649

Re: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!

I wouldn’t classify this subject as a retcon either, since they never spelled out that Ultra Instinct is the superior technique. Maybe this idea comes from the fact that Gods of Destruction didn’t master it or the angels are notably better fighters, but now we know the reason. It doesn’t suit them o...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:28 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33845
Views: 2152188

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don’t think there is exactly a problem with not giving direct answers. Part of the fun of this thread is having room to speculation anyway and be open-minded. But as Miracles demonstrated extensively, it’s likely a given that Goku’s opponents get stronger the more the story progress. And Goku even...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:33 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: TOP 10 MOST POWERFUL Women in Dragon Ball
Replies: 6
Views: 140

Re: TOP 10 MOST POWERFUL Women in Dragon Ball

I think angels should be excluded from this rank, as it’s a given they are the strongest female in the franchise. Some examples that come to mind are Kale, Towa, Caulifla, #18, #21, Zangya, Chronoa.
by Hugo Boss
Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:56 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Can Kaioshin's power be felt by mortals?
Replies: 23
Views: 365

Re: Can Kaioshin's power be felt by mortals?

Dende has god ki and regular ki, so Kami and Popo probably had both as well. Majin Boo also had both types. Do we have anything to officially released to back up this? Not saying I highly doubt you, or anything. My question would be, what is the process that embues them with this power. Sure. In th...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:45 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33845
Views: 2152188

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think Gas and Granola are weaker than Nail, to be honest. I wouldn’t think that Elec would have underlings stronger than Ginyu Force members, considering how he tried to not get involved with Freeza.
by Hugo Boss
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Suppose The Z Senshi Make Their Own Power Up?
Replies: 4
Views: 170

Re: Suppose The Z Senshi Make Their Own Power Up?

This new arc seems to be hinting the Namekian lore will have some degree of importance for the plot. Maybe Piccolo will have access to some secret art from his people, possibly making him able to contend with the Saiyan duo. He reflected on his weakness when Goku showed up to fight Moro, but he seem...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33845
Views: 2152188

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

jd55513 wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:30 pm
My debate with Emosh and Unreal on Beerus and UI Goku

https://youtu.be/Zfcb_6SHEYE
Can you summarize the most relevant points?
by Hugo Boss
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33845
Views: 2152188

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

To be fair, Goku doesn’t spell out to us that Beerus is stronger than him, but his body language is screaming that. Whis, who is stronger than Beerus, is totally used to that level of power and he’s tranquil.