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by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:52 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Dragon Wukong wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:46 pm
It's most likely he ascertain's the strength of Goku and Vegeta via the force of their blows, rather than energy sensing.
Since this is the explanation you came up, which blow Moro thought was stronger?
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Moro failed to absorb Goku’s energy because he was using a level of power that Goku could react to. After he increases his power, Goku is easily caught. There is no reason to assume that he would fail no matter what he did. And he didn’t need to absorb Goku and Vegeta’s energy to remark their power...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Moro failed to absorb Goku’s energy because he was using a level of power that Goku could react to. After he increases his power, Goku is easily caught. There is no reason to assume that he would fail no matter what he did. And he didn’t need to absorb Goku and Vegeta’s energy to remark their powerl...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

You seem to be getting the wrong idea. Moro never implies he can’t eat Goku’s energy or that he is excluding Goku’s energy from his observation. He even spells out to us that he approached Goku too cautiously (the point in which we should realize Moro was still not fighting seriously, despite all th...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Again, Moro never "ate" Goku after his post-UI training. So Moro saying "finest meal" doesn't mean Vegeta is stronger than Goku. It means he's stronger than anyone else Moro ate so far. Moro was playing around all the time. No? The events I've been referring to happen explicitly after Moro stops pl...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I honestly don’t understand the difficulty in realizing that Vegeta surpassed Goku in sheer power right now.. It may be debatable that Goku is faster than him, that he moves better or something like that, but the point is really what the characters are saying, not what they can be saying. “Finest me...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:42 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Neither Goku nor Vegeta were able to inflict any damage to Moro at full power... Moro actually discredited Goku’s attacks, while concluding he dragged that fight unnecessarily, since Goku was no real threat to him using only Sign. And he could devour his energy whenever he wanted, he even grabbed Go...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:50 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

If Goku rivals Beerus right now, Vegeta is stronger than them, which doesn’t line up well with what the Oracle Fish said. It implies that at some point in the future those 3 will be equally matched. Vegeta (most likely anyhow) isn't stronger than Goku, but his technique very likely would let him me...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Considering what the Oracle Fish said and that Goku and Vegeta have different levels right now, they are still not opponents for manga Beerus. It will happen when all 3 have about the same level. The Oracle Fish made that statement before the Tournament of Power. I wouldn't be surprised at all if G...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:29 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Considering what the Oracle Fish said and that Goku and Vegeta have different levels right now, they are still not opponents for manga Beerus. It will happen when all 3 have about the same level.
by Hugo Boss
Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:09 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?
Replies: 55
Views: 1462

Re: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?

Not really. For example: Goten: 2 Trunks: 2,5 Goku: 50 Vegeta: 50 Goten x Trunks: 2x2,5 = 5 Applies SS3 multiplier: 5x400 = 2,000 Goku x Vegeta: 50x50 = 2,500 Applies SS multiplier: 2,500x50 = 125,000 In retrospect, if Goten and Trunks get closer to the level of their fathers, their fusion gets two ...
by Hugo Boss
Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Piccolo isn't necessarily suggested to have surpassed Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiyans in the Buu arc (or what was once the case in Super.) Piccolo actually beat SS2 Gohan in combat strength and managed to trick even Ultimate Gohan. So, I don’t think those SSs have a chance against this version of ...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

You are on point in that. The AxB logic, as far as I remember, only works on the fusions between Goku and Vegeta, because they make a perfect balanced fusion. Kibito and Shin don’t have that chemistry. Maybe not even Goten and Trunks. But I think you can get the idea that since Goku and Vegeta are ...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: SSJ God was supposed to be “a being that surpasses everything”
Replies: 99
Views: 2302

Re: SSJ God was supposed to be “a being that surpasses everything”

It's common for Toriyama to go with a premise and then flip it on its head. The point of BoG's ending is despite all that power Goku obtained, it doesn't surpass everything and there are still stronger opponents to fight, much to Goku's relief. Besides, it still surpasses almost everything. Freeza,...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Since fusions work on the AxB logic, you can reconcile SSGod being stronger than Super Vegetto from Dragon Ball Z era and weaker than Super Gogeta from Dragon Ball Super era, because their base forms got massively stronger. Even the AxB rule doesn't seem to be completely true. For one, other factor...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Since fusions work on the AxB logic, you can reconcile SSGod being stronger than Super Vegetto from Dragon Ball Z era and weaker than Super Gogeta from Dragon Ball Super era, because their base forms got massively stronger.
by Hugo Boss
Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:08 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1452

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

There is no definitive answer. If you go by the anime, since kaioken x20 on top of SSBlue accomplishes nothing against Jiren and the completed Ultra Instinct closes that gap and more, I suppose it’s in the range of far beyond 20-fold. Perhaps like 100-fold.
by Hugo Boss
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The only information we have is that 7-Moro-3 may be more powerful. Unless we see it how can we be sure? Again, Vegeta is at the very least comparable to Goku, but he probably doesn't have more strength that power stressed Omen. He simply performs better against Moro due to Spirit Fission. This is ...
by Hugo Boss
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:23 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The recent chapter makes very clear that 73 Moro is stronger than Prime Moro (by Goku’s words) and SSBE Vegeta is stronger than UIS Goku (Moro, Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo all agree about this). I don’t understand the reluctance in accepting it, since Goku will probably surpass Vegeta and Moro in the n...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:12 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32795
Views: 1909359

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

This new Moro pretty much one-shotted current Vegeta, something I don’t see Jiren or Broly accomplishing with such ease, even if they could both take on Ultra Instinct sign. I’m inclined to think he is at least on their league, if not stronger.