Kanzenshuu

Pleas explain to me why I'm wrong. Well, first of all, SSB Vegetto is only ever compared to Beerus, not Whis, the Daishinkan, or Zeno. There's a definite "maybe, maybe not, but definitely a close call" tone to Shin's statement, in the sense that, in the Japanese context, could go either w...

Nothing else needs to be said about it. Why should I bother counter arguing an idea the manga itself debunked? It'd be like getting into an arguement that Imperfect Cell was stronger than Perfect Cell. Vegetto is blatantly not superior to the Grand Priest. And on your other comment him being above ...

You know, I didn't think much of it at first, but in episode 111, Freeza says that the power Goku displayed was Ultra Instinct, something that the gods feared. He never makes any distinction between this speculated "form" that "uses" Ultra Instinct and the Ultra Instinct itself. ...

Yeah agreed Freeza is really well written in this arc and nothing is out of character, I don't see him becoming (and certainly don't wish to) a goody two shoes ever. The Namek arc's pun not only made sense 100% but was also a real treat. Also he's afraid of Jiren lol I don't think so. Freeza no lon...

I cannot believe they went this route and made Jiren the same realm of power as the GoDs. We're basically getting Goku vs Beerus round two. How are they going to keep Goku below Beerus now? Easy, they're not. It looks like this arc is the one where Goku will finally surpass Beerus. After all, it's ...

Ok gotcha. I still think it's a little too high. I would put him at stronger than Frieza but less than Cell. I would also put Kaioshin around Frieza level as it would make sense why they were both still around. Any higher and Kaioshin could have killed Frieza any time at will and vice-versa. Wasn't...

Yes. Whis says that everyone at the "Kaioshin level" got taken out by the roar. From what I've gathered from the manga and the anime, in general, the gods of each status seem occupy the same general range of power. If we predicate our analyses on this premise, then we can make more clear ...

Does the manga specifically say anything that makes Goku stronger than the Supreme Kais? I know it kinda looks that way but does Whis say anything about how they're getting knocked out because of their low power level or something? Yes. Whis says that everyone at the "Kaioshin level" got ...

Heck, Goku with regular SSB was doing alright against Toppo in the anime. Toppo might have been holding back more in the anime though, especially seeing as he powered up further against Kaioken Blue Goku. I think one could reasonably argue that he mustered up more of his strength to land that one-s...

Full scans are out. I suppose someone could probably find a way of ranking most of the Gods of Destruction but I'd Beerus, Quitela and Belmod were the Top 3. Beerus probably the best overall due to limited use of Ultra Instinct and him being confident that he'd beat Quitela in actual hand to hand c...

What we know is that base Vegetto is stronger than a base Potara fusion of Goku & Gohan would have been, who would have been stronger than Gotenks Boo, who is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, who is stronger than SS3 Gotenks, who is stronger than SS3 Goku, who is 400 times stronger than base Goku....

SSB Vegetto is thousands times stronger than SSB Goku & Vegeta. I haven't seen anything so far that makes the Daishinkai thousands of times stronger than Goku or any of the gods, so until we learn something different, Blue Vegetto is the strongest. Oh gosh. What do you even say to someone who m...

Vegeta and Freeza have no chance against Toppo. SSB Kaioken Goku = Toppo, and that's stronger than both Vegeta and Freeza. Maybe if they worked together though. That was exactly my idea! Imagine the hilarity and tension that would ensue from Vegeta having to honestly work together with Freeza to ta...

I understand that vegeta, freeza, gohan, kale, and the two unknown fighters from universe 4 probably can't defeat jiren but I'm pretty confident that atleast freeza and vegeta have the ability to beat toppo and dyspo 1 on 1. Maybe not if they individually took both on, but they are definitely stron...

I don't think so. If Vegeta's not even strong enough to take on Toppo, then I'll be sorely disappointed. Even so, Freeza and Vegeta working together should be plenty for Toppo and Dyspo. Either of them would trash Dyspo almost immediately, and then the two of them would be free to overwhelm Toppo, ...

Gig wrote:Uhm... why is Jiren floating during meditation, if flight is forbidden?

His power transcends rules

Guys, that fight between Zod and Vegeta was just DBX. That series is all fights, no research. Don't get the wrong ideas, okay?

As for the next episode, one would hope that this clarifies where Freeza stands, and how others stand compared to him. One would hope.

Been quite a few solid episodes in row now. I've loved the last 5. Freeza... that troll. Love it. Seriously, it's AMAZING how much of a treat Freeza is. For all the bitterness that Resurrection of F left for many, this latest and beloved incarnation of the galactic tyrant wouldn't have been possibl...

Something interesting: U2's Kaioshin, Pell, is stated to possess power greater than U7's South Kaioshin in his Toei bio. Present Zamasu was stated to be second to none, thus Zamasu > Pell > South. That'd mean he's stronger than Kid Buu (depending on where you place South Kaioshin)? At the very leas...

Would people agree that Hit has less power than Super Saiyan Blue Goku but because of his abilities he would be able to beat Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x20 if the two had fought? Probably not KaiokenX20. Maybe regular Kaioken. Maybe. Though I definitely agree that in terms of pure slugfest powe...