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If Goku/Vegeta are not using the maximum amount of power available to them, then they're most likely holding back against his opponent. https://i.imgur.com/fEihZIA.png While we see in the Vegeta vs Magetta fight, how Magetta almost defeated Vegeta, it makes no sense why Vegeta wouldn't at least try ...

Yeah, it does irk me a bit how pretty much every distinctive SSG is absent from SSB, whether it be the reduced muscle mass or the eyes etc.
I guess it'd make more sense to see SSB as "the God Form of a regular Super Saiyan" rather than "the Super Saiyan form of a God".

The bulk of Vegeta's gains other than the spirit fission technique was his improved Spirit/Ki control. He shouldn't be massively stronger than Goku in equal forms, just that he has better Ki Control now which gives a big enough edge, so much so that even Vegeta was surprised how much he improved whe...

Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:18 am

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If there's one thing I'd praise about the Dragon Ball and Pokemon fandom, it's that the fans know what to truly expect.

Thanks everyone, appreciate the feedback. It's as Miracles said. The moment Jiren got "serious", as in, by context, showed the same output he used agains UI Omen Goku, he was wiping the floor with both Goku and Vegeta at the same time. And this was before Vegeta tried the super charged Fin...

I've been meaning to get my thoughts out on this for a long time, and it’s been a good excuse to re-watch the latter half of the Tournament of Power, so I hope this post is helpful. Detailing the insane power boosts in the Tournament of Power: The first notable instance of a “tournament stress induc...

Damn, does make me wonder how how Yemma/Enma would judge someone like Launch huh? We don't actually see her killing anyone in the actual Manga/Anime if I recall correctly, so most likely she should be clear for Heaven I guess. Brings me to think if there's an actual God who judges people, it would b...

I think you're actually correct in the assertion that Piccolo's probably the only character with a theme/leitmotif as prominent as his one. Whether it be the original score, the Faulconer score, or even the video game music, there isn't as much consistency as there is with Piccolo/Piccolo Daimao's t...

But you are definitely right on that. Ultra Pinich being the strongest for a while. Iirc Vegito Blue rivaling Beerus in the Manga, could be a decent comparison to where he could stand (seeing how he might have surpassed him). Yeah, being around Zamasu Arc Vegetto Blue seems about right to me. But i...

Just got my hands on the game and spent the entire last week finishing Dragon Ball Fusions, so this is a pretty neat coincidence. Regular Ultra Pinich is definitely above Blue level, there's no doubt about that. Though somehow I didn't actually notice that he was in Super Saiyan form the whole time,...

These are bad arguments. The fact that Base Gogeta could causally parry and defend against SSJ1 Broly at all is proof that he was stronger than normal SSB Goku/Vegeta. Except that argument is worse than the one I made, there is no "proof". Gogeta isn't the only one who parried Broly's Ki ...

If Broly is as strong as a Super Saiyan Blue then why is Super Saiyan Broly only 6x stronger? Perhaps it's because Broly's "Ikari" state is technically different from his Base. So SS can still be a 50x multiplier and his "Ikari" state can be 10x. It still wouldn't make any sense...

Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:15 pm If Broly is as strong as a Super Saiyan Blue then why is Super Saiyan Broly only 6x stronger?

Perhaps it's because Broly's "Ikari" state is technically different from his Base. So SS can still be a 50x multiplier and his "Ikari" state can be 10x.

We really can't say for sure since we haven't seen much of other races apart from mostly Saiyans and very few Namekians, but I'd say the fact that Krillin, who got his potential unlocked by the Namekian Elder, is still apparently the strongest Earthling despite the guy not training half as much as s...

I find it silly when his saiyan heritage is where he gets his strength more than his human heritage. Not really, sure he's stronger than the average Human because he's half-Saiyan. But the reason why he's one of the strongest guys in the universe is because he's half-Human. Elder Kaioshin's potenti...

Yamcha could catch Gogeta off-guard with the Soukidan and kill him the same way Sorbet gravely wounded SS Blue Goku in RoF.
It's not impossible given Super's track record.

SSJ Goku seemed poised to fight Kid Buu during his image training in the first chapter of Super. Goku doesn't actually finish the fight so we don't know if he'd have proceeded to transform into SS3 or not. Not to mention, I recall his expression being visibly pretty tense when he moved from Cell to...

Even with fusion, which can be quite unpredictable at times, I find it really unlikely that they'd go from being weaker than Dodoria to being able defeat True Form Freeza at 100%
They might go past one or more of Freeza's first three forms with varying levels of difficulty, in my opinion.

snip I don't want to come off as rude, but isn't this entire discussion more suitable to the general power level thread instead of this one being more dedicated towards Super? I honestly don't mind Piccolo having improved greatly. Does it seem unfoundedly spontaneous? Kind of. It's because his powe...

After reading the manga, I'm doing a Buu saga PL list, also including the Cell Games for reference. Cell Games Son Goku: 65 M --> SS: 3,250 M --> tired SS: 2,500 M Son Gohan: 70 M --> SS....3,500 M --> SS 2... 7,000 M Vegeta: 50 M ---> SS: 2,500 M Trunks: 45 M ---> SS: 2,000 M Piccolo: 1,800 M Cell...