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by QuakingStar
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Toriyama used Broly as a measuring stick in regards to a Completed!Cell Max...Yeah, safe for Broly is still one strongest, Like the Super Hero arc has shown that Toyotaro would readily contradict the writing of his own story arcs to just fit the narrative of Toryama's, hence why we got retcons like...
by QuakingStar
Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:56 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Exactly. People just don't want to believe Broly ain't relevant right now [As the Granolah arc deemed it]. That's why if Freeza shows up he is gonna make Goku, Vegeta and Broly change careers setting his dinner tables with Macki and Oil. Yup and that sassy child raging with his headcanon doesn't ch...
by QuakingStar
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:14 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Re-reading the chapter and Vegeta states explicitly that Broly can't access his full power because he's scared of snapping. Vegeta also says "to battle without losing yourself is an achievement, but you seem unable to unleash your true might" seems pretty explicit that Broly can't access ...
by QuakingStar
Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Noseph, broseph. The actual point of the training is Broly learning to harness his power. That's the whole extent of it. That includes not going berserk, and that also includes using a form he clearly doesn't know or remember how to use since that is what the text makes excruciatingly clear. He isn...
by QuakingStar
Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It was never stated Broly could not access his FP Huh? It was explicitly stated! Think about this critically. Vegeta doesn't say "but you're unable to unleash your true might without losing control" because that makes no sense after what had just transpired. Broly was already proving hims...
by QuakingStar
Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It was never stated Broly could not access his FP, only implied that it's tricky and he cannot control himself if he uses it. On the other hand Gohan did not awaken Beast period until Cell Max so I definitely do not see how Broly's SS and SSFP form would be not included in the wish when it was liter...
by QuakingStar
Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

:eh: I’m not even talking about Broly getting stronger than he ever was. I’m just saying that Broly is getting stronger during the course of this battle, as he can match SS Vegeta without losing his cool. This is several levels from where he was in chapter #93, when he barely matched Base Goku. Bas...
by QuakingStar
Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The dynamic between Broly and Vegeta shows exactly that Broly is getting stronger during their fight. Broly started below Base Vegeta and ended equal to SS Vegeta. That goes to show that Vegeta got stronger as well during this fight. In the movie, Base Broly powered-up to a level that Vegeta needed...
by QuakingStar
Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Vegeta didn't say Broly was getting stronger than last time. only that he wasn't using his power like he did last time. Broly just says "it's tricky" So I assume Broly got stronger since it's been three years, just that he isn't getting stronger during battle like he did three years ago.
by QuakingStar
Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:35 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585419

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Or there's an even better explanation, which is you all are reading too much into it. :lolno: Toriyama wanted Beerus to say Frieza was stronger than the base form Goku we see in BoG. Was Goku's power being suppressed in that moment? We don't know. How do you know Toriyama was even thinking of or con...
by QuakingStar
Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:14 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585419

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I think that Namek Arc Frieza at his full power is still a bit stronger than the base Saiyans at the beginning of BoG arc. Also who is to say that Shin has ever seen Frieza's full power? Beerus likely has, he could have easily ordered Frieza to fight him with all he's got in order to see what he is ...
by QuakingStar
Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:08 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585419

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

I sincerely doubt that BoG Base Saiyans were stronger than Frieza. Goku in base in the Frieza Saga was at 3,000,000 and I've seen no actual evidence to believe he had gotten over 40x stronger in base form from then to the BoG events, and only one line that seems to just be an exaggeration concerning...
by QuakingStar
Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:32 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585419

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

DB is known for retcons, power creep and power seep. It's also known for contradictions. One retcon is the whole "Goku can't used the relaxed ability that Jiren can use" When we saw him use it in the Namek Arc. There are some things fans are arguing over that is just plain out silly.
by QuakingStar
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:09 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585419

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

This mostly comes from seeing Goku struggling initially to wield the sword, but as soon as Goku starts swinging it, Shin’s reaction is one of those moments where you can tell “this guy is just too strong for my standards”. Is that an anime thing? Because in the chapter 478 it's Kibito who looks baf...
by QuakingStar
Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:57 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585419

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Since we have nothing to go by, I guess SS4 Goku and SSB Goku, respectively? This seems like a almost logical answer to me, but something feels off. I come from the idea that SS Vegetto was surpassed by those forms, so SS3 would be the way for him to turn the tables on them. It never mentioned any ...
by QuakingStar
Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:34 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

At least with Trunks its kind of explained. The ritual to draw out ones power, dancing for 24hrs turned out to be a thing that was done for all Supreme Kai apprentices so Trunks had it done too. So Trunks had his potential drawn out and then went SS2 on top of it at least that's how it seemed to me...
by QuakingStar
Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

But why? I will never get this complaint. How is it not? Cabba was a scrawny little adolescent who didn't even know what a Super Saiyan was. And yet he's stronger than Buuhan? When just regular Super Buu was already more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. A Super Buu who then absorbed the prodigy U...
by QuakingStar
Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:46 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Non-thread-worthy discussions
Replies: 4620
Views: 580663

Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

He got oneshot by Frieza? i know DB fans are bad at power scaling, but this is crazy. I agree. It's crazy that just because someone gets "oneshot", they suddenly become weak. Without taking into consideration factors and contexts. Bardock was probably the thirteenth strongest Saiyan, but ...
by QuakingStar
Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39787
Views: 3828424

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Yeah, in that respect, I think the manga gives the best representation of Jiren’s character and explains better why he is such a formidable foe I disagree, mostly because Anime Jiren and Manga Jiren are vastly different characters(with even different character-defining backstories!), similar how Ma...
by QuakingStar
Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:16 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Non-thread-worthy discussions
Replies: 4620
Views: 580663

Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

1. Dragon and Minato one of the strongest in they veres, past and present, Toriyama Bardock was not, especially when you had every soldier in the Frieza Force, King Cold, Frieza, Ginyu Force, King Vegeta, Prince Vegeta And the Kais stronger then him We know nothing of Monkey D. Dragon, and Minato N...