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by QuakingStar
Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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Maybe Vegeta is referring to everyone currently as of Age 782-783 which is SH. So at THAT point in time Jiren, Broly, and Frieza are not TOO MUCH stronger than Goku and Vegeta physically and maybe even power level wise BUT they wield their powers better when USING them? Another thing to think about ...
by QuakingStar
Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:22 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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Nah, even in raw power in the manga Jiren was above Blue Evolved Vegeta, and equal to UI Goku even though he started out lower. It also depends on if Goku and Vegeta have seen Jiren since the ToP, maybe he got stronger again and they saw him? who knows. Toriyama's statements on Gohan were only based...
by QuakingStar
Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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Yeah, the Oracle was talking about Freeza back in the Granolah arc. The title even says the universe strongest appears when Freeza diced up Gas, Goku and Vegeta. Whis vague statement in the end of that arc about Freeza perhaps being the strongest or another in the universe emerging is in step with ...
by QuakingStar
Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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Regardless, once Gohan pushed harder with the Special Beam Canon it pierced the orb. The others attacking Cell Max realistically wouldn't have changed much I think it was just another nostalgia bait moment especially when right beforehand Cell Max was terrified of Gohan and then again terrified of h...
by QuakingStar
Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:41 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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I don't think that was a power thing, Special Beam Canon is meant to pierce and Gohan wasn't so sure his was that good. I think Gohan just hasn't mastered it to the level Piccolo has so its piercing ability wasn't as great. Also, Cell Max seemed to finally be controlling himself he noticed Gohan was...
by QuakingStar
Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:59 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585525

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Btw, supposedly there is some pamphlet or novel passage that has a statement on Orange Piccolo saying he boasts physical strength above the Gods or something. Anybody know anything about that?
by QuakingStar
Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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The story doesn't even know if Goku or Vegeta could of beaten Cell Max. Orange Piccolo lost [I don't remember if Orange Piccolo was at full power?] to the behemoth. Toriyama does indeed say [According to Herms translation] that Piccolo does indeed have "battle power" on par with Goku and ...
by QuakingStar
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:18 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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Just got a look on Bandai’s new set of wafer stickers and some details caught my attention. Legend of Tenkaichi , scheduled to release in March 2024, is the 9th installment of "Dragon Ball Super Warrior Seal Wafers Super", since the collections’ brand has changed from "Z" to &qu...
by QuakingStar
Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:34 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12575
Views: 1585525

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Yeah, something that I just realized is that in DBS the rage boosts seem to indeed be permanent..
by QuakingStar
Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:57 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

If that was the case, that Gohan kept most of the power he built in Moro arc, then it wouldn’t make sense for Gohan to have any difficulty at dealing with Gamma #1, who is only as strong as Goku and Vegeta from post-Broly . For me, it’s more likely that Ultimate Gohan, SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta have ...
by QuakingStar
Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:58 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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To be fair, Gohan being able to use the Ultimate state without any troubles points to this anime/manga development having stuck post-RoF. He may have lost a bit of his edge like in RoF, but unlike then he clearly still kept up his training to a degree and only needed some motivation to bring back h...
by QuakingStar
Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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In both versions of the ToP Gohan got his Ultimate state back and proceeded to make gargantuan gains, going from weaker than Buutenks to being as strong as SS Kefla in the manga, and on the general level of SSB Goku in the anime. That’s the reason it doesn’t make sense to say that that Gohan from t...
by QuakingStar
Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

@Hugo you are assuming it means Gohan had not been training since the Moro Arc, when Pan only started school months ago. Like I said Gohan could have been training since recently before Goten and Trunks SH Prequel Arc then he stopped for up to 7 months. You don't know HOW strong he got in the meant...
by QuakingStar
Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

He can comment his same comments repeatedly, it doesn't change the fact that SSG level opponents are not a threat anymore to Ultimate Gohan regardless. That leaves the next stage which is the current standard form for Goku and Vegeta. "Logic"? No, you're ignoring the fact that power creep ...
by QuakingStar
Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku and Vegeta were on earth just 3 weeks prior. When? When is this ever stated? Show me. Toriyama doesn't give a shit whether its for the movie or the manga Toriyama said it literally in reference for the movie… the manga wasn’t even done with the Granolah arc yet and promo was just coming out fo...
by QuakingStar
Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Gammas being stated to be as strong as SSB Goku is right. He’s just equal to the last time Piccolo saw Goku. And Orange Piccolo is equal to current SSB Goku. So SSB Goku in the new movie > SSB Goku that Piccolo last saw (Broly Movie in the anime, Moro arc in the manga). Nope. Goku and Vegeta were o...
by QuakingStar
Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

No, you are assuming Gohan stopped training for years and thats why you came to your conclusion. You just don't WANT UIltimate Gohan and the Gammas to be Super Saiyan Blue level in current times and that's where there is a hiccup, because nobody else agrees with you on that. Back to the ToP, Kale wa...
by QuakingStar
Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:05 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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Also, "rival" does not mean the same exact power and never has while on "par" means the same exact power.. the gammas were never said to be on par with Goku and Vegeta, I never saw that word used for them while it was used for Orange Piccolo. The Gammas were said to be “about on...
by QuakingStar
Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:26 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

This means the Gammas are still comparable to Goku and Vegeta, but you have to use logic to understand that if Orange Piccolo is on par with Goku according to Toriyama himself this would mean at their full powers in that case otherwise that statement doesn't make sense for Orange Piccolo. With the ...
by QuakingStar
Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:52 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39788
Views: 3828610

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-Character A and B are compared to Y and Z. -Then, A and B are evenly matched with C and D. -C and D unlock a new form, and now, as C+ and D+ they are as strong as Y and Z, according to the author. Character A cannot be as strong as C+, because we've seen them struggle with regular C, needless to s...