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That's most likely an error on Akira Toriyama's part. After all, Piccolo himself was almost equal with 2nd form Freeza, who was stated to be over 1 million, whereas Ginyu is only at 120,000. I'm not sure what you mean? This is about Freeza's first form. Freeza says that line in his final form I tho...

That's most likely an error on Akira Toriyama's part. After all, Piccolo himself was almost equal with 2nd form Freeza, who was stated to be over 1 million, whereas Ginyu is only at 120,000. I'm not sure what you mean? This is about Freeza's first form. Freeza says that line in his final form I tho...

That's most likely an error on Akira Toriyama's part. After all, Piccolo himself was almost equal with 2nd form Freeza, who was stated to be over 1 million, whereas Ginyu is only at 120,000.

I think none of the Kaioshin people surpass SSjin Teen Gohan, so nah I don't see Kaioshin's > Dabura.

When did Cell do it? And Freeza's was noted. I don't recall any power-up being noted for Super Boo. He had no reason to, anyway. When he first went into his perfect form, Android 16 and Vegeta both state that he is inferior to Vegeta still, but as the fight goes on, it becomes clear how superior Ce...

I think Kaioshin is stronger than Trunks, and also has some freaky abilities that could be put to good use. If he created a huge attack and then lobbed it at Trunks while holding him in place with his powers, what's Trunks going to do about it? I don't think magical powers are going to help you aga...

I think Kaioshin is stronger than Trunks, and also has some freaky abilities that could be put to good use. If he created a huge attack and then lobbed it at Trunks while holding him in place with his powers, what's Trunks going to do about it? I don't think magical powers are going to help you aga...

Saiga wrote:Boo powering up invisibly is pure bullshit. I'm sorry, but it is. There's nothing to imply that at all.

Cell and Freeza both did it.

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:

Mystic Gohan wrote:Why would Piccolo AND Gotenks be completely wrong.

Because that's what we saw? Base Gotenks couldn't even move Evil Boo with his punches.

He powered up, just like he did without us noticing after Gotenks went SSjin 3 and just like Freeza and Cell did.

The only thing to imply it is Piccolo's comment which turns out to be completely and utterly wrong. Super Boo (rosat) >>> base Gotenks (post) ~ Super Boo (outside rosat). Simple. That's... not very simple at all. Why did Super Boo's strength change without any visible power up? Why didn't Piccolo n...

I say SSjin Trunks takes this one rather easily myself. Kaioshin fears Pui-Pui, while Vegeta effortlessly takes him down. Mind you, that was base Vegeta. While the Saiyans did get stronger over the seven years of peace, they are not too far ahead of Kid Gohan, let alone surpassing there previous SSj...

Saiga wrote:The only thing to imply it is Piccolo's comment which turns out to be completely and utterly wrong.

Super Boo (rosat) >>> base Gotenks (post) ~ Super Boo (outside rosat). Simple.

Dabooyaka wrote:Having base Gotenks post stronger than Ssj Gotenks pre is why your gaps are so big.

Very true, but alas that's what I feel is implied in the manga.

I see Goku = Oob = Kid Boo at the end of Z.

I don't see the quote as meaning much. Goku says that you need to be close in power, but it is clear that no matter what your gap is, Goku is nowhere near Mystic Gohan's power. As for my personal gaps, well I have rather large gaps going by: Mystic Gohan >> SSjin 3 Gotenks >>> SSjin 2 Gotenks >>> SS...

How does that negate the fact that Elder Kaioshin himself said that Vegetto is "what's strongest'? I don't think he had Gokan in mind, considering he was talking about Kibito Shin and how weak they were. To quote myself from another forum; Elder Kaioshin was talking about why Kibito Shin was s...

I personally believe Gokan to be far more powerful than Vegetto. Though he would lack any "rivals boost" (doubting if there is honestly one), Gohan is just so much stronger than Vegeta, that surely it would carry over the fusion as well. Unlike the metamorian technique of fusion, Gohan doe...

Do you really think that after the Boo saga, as bloated as the Boo saga was that Abo and Kado are only as strong as 1st form Freeza? Yes, yes I do. Yeah that was the punchline to whole joke, some villains who turned up too late. Who's powerlevel was irrelevant. Well the point was, Tarble shouldn't ...

I say that people in GT as early as Super Baby Vegeta 2 are stronger than Super Vegetto. Super Baby Vegeta is stated to be the strongest ki Goku has ever sensed after all.

Doesn't the JSAT have them fight without Super Saiyan, though? Yeah, but Tarble is the one who says that Abo and Kado are as strong as Freeza, and he should only know of Freeza's first form's power. So all four combatants in that initial exchange are below Freeza's final form IMO. Do you really thi...