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I think Toriyama wants to break the mold. Making older villains still relevant. May it be by skill, power, or hax. They can still pose as threats to current heroes. My theory is that Goku and Vegeta haven’t grown that much since top. And I know that is blasphemy to say to the db community. What if ...

I think he is making such a leap because Goku could fight Hit evenly without Kaioken after he defeated Zamasu, while in Champa tournament he needed 10-fold Kaioken to have a shot. That’s after Goku commented on Hit being way stronger than when they fought before. I also think the kaiokens don’t gra...

The only thing Super added were the heroes non-Saiyans characters getting forms and new forms that isn't just branches of Super Saiyan. Freeza, Cell, Buu and Oozaru would want a word with you I was talking about the heroes’ transformations. Frankly, I think keeping up with all these new transformat...

It's amazing it's not more clear. Jiren, Broly, Moro, Gas and Cell Max. You could really go into discussion about whose the strongest here. You could ask twenty different people here to rank them and get all sorts of answers. It couldn't have been clearer in Z. Nobody would ever dispute Buu > Cell ...

That could potentially be away around that..... though there is Goku saying that Moro was the toughest he'd ever faced when he had faced Broly so maybe not. Yeah the only way around that line is that Goku meant the strongest he faced alone. Technically he fought SSJ Broly since Broly only went LSSJ...

Frankly, I think keeping up with all these new transformations is a pain. Super Saiyan God was a neat idea at the time, but I’m not a fan of the precedent that it set. At best, this obsession with giving characters flashy makeovers makes Dragon Ball feel like a toy commercial, which I suppose isn’t...

Soba Mask wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:20 am Yeah SSBE was so awesome and told well

Breaking limit and Rage is the new stuff

Those have existed since Dragon Ball Z.

I was thinking that perhaps the power levels are massively different in the movies. I wonder if the original power balance: SSJG Goku 6, Beerus 10 and Whis 15 is still prevalent in Toriyama's mind. The Jiren battle is mentioned but we don't know if Goku mastered UI. Toriyama never showed us him usi...

He wasn’t a threat to the universe. And frieza lasted for an hour. Whis took over a minute or two after Freeza’s beating. And gogeta arrived. Had it been the case of them needing fusion was put down Goku quickly. I mean whis wouldn’t reverse time again. Especially because of what happened after the...

Didn’t whis laugh when beerus sneezed as he looked up in the sky. After Goku said that statement. Wasn’t that signaling or implying he knew what Goku was saying. In Japanese culture if you say something bad about someone. Don’t they sneeze? Beerus looking pissed. Whis laughing in responses, meant h...

Okay, I'm certain "Son Gohan Beast" is 100% Toriyama embracing the old memes of ridiculous overdesigned SSJ forms the fandom has produced over the decades... I doubt Toriyama follows memes since he didn't even know Dragon Ball was that popular outside of Japan. It was most likely him just...

Didn’t whis laugh when beerus sneezed as he looked up in the sky. After Goku said that statement. Wasn’t that signaling or implying he knew what Goku was saying. In Japanese culture if you say something bad about someone. Don’t they sneeze? Beerus looking pissed. Whis laughing in responses, meant h...

Maybe Goku was wrong? Whis would be a more reliable narrator in this circumstances, he knows Beerus fully. He did train him after all. I mean he immediately agree with vegeta after his assessment about Jiren. He would have agreed with Goku had it been true. I read the translated drafts from toriyam...

I just thought about something. When Vegeta talks about jiren’s disciplined mind and ki control is what made him so dangerous and a tough opponent. What if with Broly and cell max, they needed to have control over their minds. Then they pose a threat? Maybe cause Broly can’t control his mind, so he...

If Beerus was way more powerful than Broly, he could one tap him. That is what Whis always does with Beerus. I do recall him saying that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 weren't needed, but I forgot he said that about Super Saiyan God. But Super Saiyan God returned because of Toyo, not Toriyama and the anime w...

Statements from Goku along with weariness Beerus showed towards Broly. As I said, Super Saiyan with god Ki makes Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. That never changed. Toriyama also never said there was no need for Super Saiyan God. He said there was no need for Super Saiyan 2 and 3 since they were jus...

:problem: And he said the exact same thing about Broly and Frieza movies. If we want too, we can go back to when he talked about Cell and said he was unstoppable. What I am getting at this all hype for the movie. This isn’t something we should argue about. Toriyama’s word is canon until he changes ...

I think people are taking this too seriously. Toriyama is trying to hype his own movie. Trying to sell tickets. I wouldn’t take what he says as canon. He's the creator of the fucking series. Christ... And he said the exact same thing about Broly and Frieza movies. If we want too, we can go back to ...

Except Toriyama double down on the Broly line in the movie. When? And Toriyama said Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is Super Saiyan with god ki. That never changed. Fans just assumed regular Super Saiyan was gone. It was meant to be that when a Saiyan with God Ki transformed into a Super Saiyan then ...

That and why would Toriyama write a line that has no basics at all? Hype. Toriyama also wrote that Beerus used 70% of his power against Goku in Battle of Gods. He wrote that Goku and Vegeta working together could Beerus a run for his money. He wrote that Super Saiyan Blue was essentially just what ...