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But cell states he does not know how trunks was able to kill the androids in his timeline indicating that by cell's estimate of trunk's power he would not have the capabilities to defeat Android 17 and 18 on his own. After the battle, cell speaks about the remote controller that turns off the andro...

When Cell tells Piccolo his origin's story, he states that King Cold and Frieza's cells were obtained after Trunks kills them in DB:Kai. In the manga, he doesn't specifically say that Trunks kills them but Toriyama shows a panel of them dying the same way and makes claim that the machine could have...

I don't think it's implied Fused Zamasu's immortality wasn't 100% until they were fused at a cellular level. The implication I got of that particular piece was the immortality extending itself to Goku Black when the fusion ended because he's also "Zamasu," leading to things going haywire ...

That vegito do that is not proof of anything ... because he is never seen fighting in that state in question ... from what they explain he did it so that his time limit didn't run out before but that does not reduce power Yeah of course man, now the senzu beans are eaten to extend the fusion time. ...

Frieza just training for a while and becoming stronger than Cell, Buu, etc. Sorry but this is completely in character and coherent with DBZ. Freeza had the power he had wihtout having had a real fight in his whole life. It's only obvious that if he started to train his power would multiply by 10-15...

DestructoDisc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:35 am Has it been confirmed yet that the manga will still go on even after the Moro arc reaches its conclusion? If so, what do you guys think we will get after this arc?

Mmm something multi-universal related maybe? I hope the manga continues after Moro, it's selling well enough, isn't it?

but it is not known how much ... you would be insinuating that vegito would have lost without proof... that is your speculation the manga denies it You're the one that's constantly especulating here. But firstly, if Vegetto had thought that he was able to destroy Zamasu without taking the senzu, he...

I'm just using it as an example, personally, I think the 22nd Tournament and after is more or less the same thing in terms of the quality of fights. Be that Kid Goku vs King Piccolo, Roshi and Kid Goku vs Tien, etc. A Z fight is like Pizza, you can't define what makes it work, but you'll know when ...

That's just a theory that fans invented because the manga totally denies it ... Vados and Champa said that Kefla was strong enough to beat everyone in the tournament ... (except Jiren) and they saw Goku and Toppo fight in addition to knowing the power of Frieza and other warriors when they saw them...

Except that it does make sense, for the reasons you just stated. Goku versus Piccolo was essentially a "Z-fight". This is what I'm saying, Goku vs Piccolo is a Z fight, so it doesn't make sense to say DB doesn't have fights as epic as Z's when this is basically one of them. And why is Gok...

Neutral I think it is obvious to everyone that piccolo has god level, right? :think: because I do not see sense in his strategy or that Moro has intervened in his attack It's been clear to me for a few chapters now. He's fighting on par with a Gohan who is far stronger than the Gohan who stalemated...

I don't agree at all that the fights were better in DBZ with the exception of the first fight against Vegeta. Nappa vs Goku alone is already much deeper than any pre-Z fight. Of course, a fight has various aspects that make it interesting: what you're fighting for, who you're fighting against and t...

Not really. The fight between Goku and Piccolo Jr wouldn’t look out of place in Z at all. The 22nd Budokai is where most emphasis on ki blast and less gag moves was cemented. Really the only distinction between Z and the 22nd Budokai and Daimao arcs is Goku being a child. The only REAL change betwe...

If I had to draw a line on where DB became the DB we're familiar with today, it'd be with the 22nd Tenkaichi. Everything mentioned here started with that arc, and just improved as time went on. I wouldn't say you're wrong, but 22nd tenckaichi budokay fights are still clearly written with the same s...

DB isn't better than DBZ, and DBZ isn't better than DB, they're both one story. The split was arbitrary for marketing reasons. Even if the split was a decision on Toei, it's true that Toriyama changed his narrative style a lot starting with the Saiyans saga. The fights became the DB fights we all l...

Bullshit. Even if Dragon Ball didn't try to revolutionize the medium, it did it through an EXCELLENT cast of main characters (the writing of characters like future/present Trunks), a not "in your face" story-telling full of subtleties and making the most coherent fights in terms of BP (fro...

We spent the first 300 chapters of the series without any new transformation, and I for one love to see the series expanding new concepts to give the characters a nice power up. Vegeta's spirit training is much better than simply let's say SSJ2 Blue (which is already that evolved SSJ form hi has sin...

Well yeah it's not that I don't see what you mean but with a big portion of the Fandom questioning how well Toyotaro can write a story (me included for some instances) I feel like the cool concept that Spirit is (even if it has been revealed before) will probably be short-lived. But hey, I would di...

Spirit has just been revealed to be a thing with minor references to the past (as in Z). What Vegeta learns will improve him as a fighter, but let's not forget his motivation for training on Yardrat in the first place. Fina a way to defeat Moro. Granted, this new move/power may not compare him to U...

Agreed. Although to be honest, even if Vegeta does, indeed, go forth with something that will rival Ultra Instinct, we lack a necessary background to it. What I mean is: we have been having this huge build-up to Ultra Instinct, as the pinnacle of power, that anything else should not even remotely a...