Kanzenshuu

I believe the evidence points to Black being in Super Saiyan 1 despite the Super Saiyan 2 lightning. In chapter 20; page 11, Black stated he couldn't even turn into a "regular" Super Saiyan after trying to access Goku's full potential of Blue. Vegeta later tells him to go Blue Black says h...

Trunks didn't see it as a victory even as he went into his new timeline. As he told Gohan, "I couldn't protect the world'. This isn't the statement of someone declaring victory. Yet Gohan told him to be well and Trunks quickly straightened up with a smile. He was alive going back to the future...

Trunks didn't see it as a victory even as he went into his new timeline. As he told Gohan, "I couldn't protect the world'. This isn't the statement of someone declaring victory. Yet Gohan told him to be well and Trunks quickly straightened up with a smile. He was alive going back to the future...

Yeah but remember that when Goku did that he did say he was only going to use a little bit more power from when he was a Super Saiyan 2. He might have been a Super Saiyan Blue but he was only putting out Super Saiyan 2 level power. Actually the anime and manga are pretty similar. Kale becomes a Leg...

This was more before Whis comes in to give them that solution. And even then it’s STILL not going to make people go “whew thank god for this easy way out” it actually makes people feel worse if anything because it makes them feel incompetent or useless, like they couldn’t pull it through with their...

She wasn't in the anime . I'd wait to see how the next chapter plays out as well before we say she is in the manga. For all we know Golden Frieza will get serious and then he'll beat her. The fact that Golden Freeza HAS to get serious PROVES Kale is blue tier in the manga. To add, she is even power...

Told yall. In both outlines Kale is clearly blue level.

Why would they be angry and sad about an erased timeline that has the same people? Trunks and Mai are going to see themselves there too. It's not meant to elicit such emotion with that kind of safety valve.

TKA wrote:Kale's character being Trunks during the Cell fight is great. She just doesn't want to hurt Caulifla's pride by revealing she's actually stronger, like Trunks when Vegeta was getting bodied by Cell.".

Bingo... I was trying to remember whom.

The scaling is correct. Kale in the anime fought a stronger red Goku equally. Portarying her as Blue tier. In the manga the fact that Freeza thinks he has to get serious to handle Kale proves she is Blue tier. However Kale powers up even more after Freeza said that. :lol: It's obvious in both outlin...

I'm not sure what your point is in the first sentence. Yes, Goku got stronger throughout the fight but it wasn't as a result of These "limit break" shenanigans. Otherwise, how would you explain Vegeta getting stronger throughout the tournament when he never broke his limits? They just got...

While Kale put up a fight, Goku clearly held the advantage flying through one of her attacks while Kale barely managed to hold of a casual ki blast from Goku. Goku even said before almost knocking them off that it was pretty much over and they should try again when they get stronger. Goku wouldn't ...

So you think that tired version of SSG Goku was stronger than a rested SSB Goku? Even if Goku got stronger during the tournament (I do think he did get a bit stronger) I don't think that's enough to put his red form while still tired above his fresh blue form at the beginning. Also Kale kind of did...

While I see where you are coming from, what is the reason she couldn't beat a tired SSG Goku later? Super is very inconsistent and hard to scale. Also I think we should wait until next chapter to say for sure, because Frieza seemed angry that Goku butted in and was kind of taken off guard, and Goku...

Kale was established as Blue tier in both anime and manga.

Frieza literally laughed it off. He was sandbagging for fun. He even got mad at Goku for interfering in his fight just when he was about to get serious. Kale's power level is just a Toyo thing not a Toriyama thing. You got translations of those images with context? But the same Goku (remind you tha...

omg Her muscular mode could hurt golden frieza! toyo just gave kale even more asspull than the anime. Would you people pay attention. It's no magic trick in the anime or manga that Kale is blue level and more. Her potential threat was just represented to be that strong. In the anime she walked thro...

I'll be mad if Freeza is just in the movie to job to the new villain in order to hype him up and I'll be equally mad if they end it with a Goku + Freeza team-up. Or if he gets killed off this movie. Do something new and interesting with him or keep him out. :clap: You and I can clank glasses. Mind ...

Doctor. wrote:I'll be mad if Freeza is just in the movie to job to the new villain in order to hype him up and I'll be equally mad if they end it with a Goku + Freeza team-up. Or if he gets killed off this movie.

Do something new and interesting with him or keep him out.

You and I can clank glasses.

In a death battle? I don't remember one single time this happened. There's also Gowasu saying Black is the strongest non fused fighter in the same episode. Well Goku did it in the Zamas arc in both the anime and manga. Didn't use the full power of Blue till fused Zamas and then finally used Kaioken...