Kanzenshuu

Basically, he was a tragic antihero who failed but succeeded through his son And in order to fail, he has at least to try. If he doesn't even try, he won't fail, and it will ruin the character badly. So you see, his stand cannot be denied even in the wildest dreams. It has to happen. he already fai...

I don’t see why the rebellion thing is even important. Oh you don't see? Then take away all of Goku's defining moments, all the ones that you can point and say "see? This is Goku/this is a brief of Goku's character". Take away what makes Goku different, take away what makes him special......

I think they are playing with fire. Yeah Broly is incredibly popular and Toriyama already said he's being careful to not disappoint Broly's fans, but Bardock is arguably as popular as Broly, if not more, and his fans may be disappointed with how he's treated in this movie. Rightfully so. It took 11...

Hey, guys what if the rebellion in the movie takes place on planet vegeta instead of above it?

precita wrote:I hope we see Bardock's Saiyan team with Dodoria killing them.

This seems like its going to be 30 minutes, there is no way this is just minus

Michsi wrote:Imagine they're going to write in a plot element similar to Bardock's ability to see the future in the original OVA, except this time it's Goku that gets it and he can see the past with it. Cue emotional scene.

Well, that won't work because Goku doesn't care about the saiyans.

This Movie is giving me some The Path to Power vibes which was the 10th DB Movie, in the sense this is the 20th movie and it's also retelling older stories in a different way. The Path to Power did it with the first DB arc and Red Ribbon Army arc while changing some character designs too - kid Goku...

It is funny though, that the one thing people want Toriyama to forget, he not only remembers but puts it in a movie.


I still remain open minded because the retcons were secondary to the fact that minus wasn't a story so lets see if I was right.

You make no sense. If the movie shows Freeza destroy the Planet with Bardock NOWHERE TO BE SEEN then how can the rebellion have still happened?! And we know the movie shows Freeza destroying the Planet because its in the TRAILER! And I’ve already explained that from what we’ve seen in the trailer, ...

Not the point. You and Al claimed that they aren’t being inconsistent. All i did was debunk your claim or his claim that you agreed with. While it doesn’t have as much of an impact on the plot, the Bardock scene is the most well known scene for him ever. And it kinda defines his character. And it m...

I have no problem at all with Toriyama retconning Minus. He can retcon it as much as he likes with this one! The New always overrides the Old. And Minus was just a short manga chapter. This is going to be a full blown movie that will reach millions of people and is an official continuation of the T...

Cetra wrote:Toriyama-san flat out retconned a panel in his manga with Bardock in outer space confronting Freeza.

Didn't minus already do that?

Is Toriyama retconing minus because I be all for that

FortuneSSJ wrote:

Super Saiyan Swagger wrote:Herms translated the trailer over on his Twitter.

Wasn't Vegeta supposed to be some years older than Goku?! Oh yeah, retcons.

I think minus already did that.

"Cast-off warrior: Broly" :roll: As expected, they're trying to retcon Broly into what Goku was portrayed as in the Saiyan arc. Poor, tragic Broly was cast away and abused by his selfish father while Kakarotto got to survive because his parents wuvved him. The backstory for Broly has pote...

Same. My thought is it'll just be a remixed Movie 8 + Gogeta with flashbacks to Minus, but I hope that's not the case. I hope it's something fresher than that . You shouldn't or else you end up being disappointed like the previous arc and movie. At the very least I won't be completely disappointed ...

Noah wrote:After decades of speculation to have Tullece as Goku's brother? Nah, that would suck. Goku's having a lost brother could be somewhat interesting, but that would dimish Raditz even more.

I wonder how that was received back in the day?

Did Toriyama ever draw planet Vegeta in the manga? This may be his version He drew it in Minus. And the planet has very organic/primitive rock structures (same as in Episode of Bardock), as opposed to the hi-tech depiction from the Bardock TV special they apparently are going to follow. I really re...

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KaiserNeko wrote:There's no political message.

I didn't think there was anything political about it but I'm not surprised some think it is as we now live in a time where even funerals are politicized. Great job by the way.

I want a kid again, damnit!!!!

I would not mind how the landscape is portrayed at all but even that is an important thing when it comes to Saiyans these days. The Super Saiyan bargain sale wasn't a thing back in the day because of that. Since Earth's environment is softer, that somehow enabled Goten and Trunks to transform easie...