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It took goku going ss2 for majin vegeta for vegeta to confirm goku had surpassed gohans level from the cell games. The power that goku used vs yakon which let vegeta know goku had also achieved ssj2 wasn't enough for him to be sure of that. Also while ssj2 goku and majin vegeta were > cell games goh...

Like does his original intent of SSJ being "Ten times greater than whatever power that Goku had demonstrated up until then" have any degree of impact still? Or have the guides effectively made a point that cannot be argued against, for any reason, even if the creator didn't entirely agree...

No. SSJ grade 4 is just goku and gohan getting used to ssj form and reducing its stamina drain. Their strength comes from sparring together for months worth of time in the ROSAT while vegeta and trunks punched and kicked the air. Essentially goku and gohans base forms far surpassed vegeta and trunks...

Like does his original intent of SSJ being "Ten times greater than whatever power that Goku had demonstrated up until then" have any degree of impact still? Or have the guides effectively made a point that cannot be argued against, for any reason, even if the creator didn't entirely agree...

Still, Beerus was forced to use some power and it was obviously more than just 1%. Gohan trained for few hours. It was clearly stated he got his old power back. Piccolo wanted to see the same power he used on Buu and he got that. He isn't that much stronger. Don't try to tell me he got like 500 tim...

Still, Beerus was forced to use some power and it was obviously more than just 1%. Gohan trained for few hours. It was clearly stated he got his old power back. Piccolo wanted to see the same power he used on Buu and he got that. He isn't that much stronger. Don't try to tell me he got like 500 tim...

But its not dumb, goku in base in the ft arc was > SSG Goku from BoG arc. trunks was a match for ss2 goku at the start of that arc which would instantly put him above gt characters If base Goku was anywhere near his SSJG from BoG then he would beat Beerus using SSJ or SSJ2 at best. And again, who s...

Current Golden Freeza absolutely destroys any mortal not named Goku or Jiren.. Yeah no. Hit, Vegeta and Toppo would clobber him Naah, Freeza is way tougher than any of those, the amount of beating he can take and hakai's he can resist is next to none, Hit is a different story, the fight can go anyw...

Except krillin never fought future zamasu or goku black multiple times in his ss2 form. Trunks did and that alone puts him above anything in gt That's just shitty writing and stupid plot armor to make weak characters somewhat relevant. It's not just about Trunks being strong. Goku and Vegeta are ju...

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BlueVegerot wrote:Rage Trunks vs RoF Golden Freeza, Who is stronger?

Current Golden Freeza absolutely destroys any mortal not named Goku or Jiren..

Yeah no. Hit, Vegeta and Toppo would clobber him

Future Trunks destroys anything from GT and thats in his normal ss2 form not even needing rage. SS2? Pff! 0.00001% base is enough! Even DBS Krillin can beat Gogeta SSJ4! Oh god... Except krillin never fought future zamasu or goku black multiple times in his ss2 form. Trunks did and that alone puts ...

It would be but shin is a notorious dumbass and toriyama can just retcon that line by giving the in universe explanation that shin is dumb and has no idea what he's talking about if toriyama wants to

Future Trunks destroys anything from GT and thats in his normal ss2 form not even needing rage.

Rage Trunks vs RoF Golden Freeza, Who is stronger?

Why is cooler getting a golden form an issue?

If saiyans can all achieve the same form then why can't cooler who albeit weaker than freeza naturally is still strong af in his own right?

This is like bitching if f trunks got super saiyan blue and claiming its cause he's vegeta's son

Also in the movie ssg goku made beerus use nearly 70% of his full power whereas in the anime ssg was nowhere in the same universe as beerus as we later found out when whis compared goku to a tree stump and beerus to a castle in the sky

normally in z did not defeat anyone alone gohan defeat cell trunks defeat frieza goku defeated buu thanks to earthlings and shenron but ... Goku defeated Jiren in combat one by one only he did not get him out of the ring to side effect of UI 17 won the tournament only to stay last, not that he won ...

I don't think it was like the kind of schooling we went to. Probably tutor because clearly he has basic communication skills. Goku's not stupid because he's incapable of learning, he just doesn't care to learn things that don't interest him. It's like when Sherlock Holmes says he doesn't know the E...

To me the worst part isn't the fact that he traced... It's seeing people denying it in front of legit proof. Also how most of them, who are uneducated on the subject, try to argue with people who know their shit like Ajay. Toyotaro traced but your worship of a dbtuber is weak Your post is weak. If ...

Goku fanboys always using the same excuses "he hit his head" , "he grew up in the woods" whenever people claim goku is a braindead idiot in anything thats not fighting. Vegeta grew up fighting plant monsters and conquering planets and piccolo was literally spit out and neither o...