Kanzenshuu

Ok, it has to be someone else to draw the line in this discussion, because we're going towards character psichology and guessing again. The problem is that my theory is being discarded with assumptions, so if it must be opinion vs opinion, no one has gotten the upper hand yet. I'll go back to my exa...

The whole "Buu gathering Ki" is used - explicitly - only in reference to the Super Buu/ Buff Buu transition. Given Goku and Vegeta's reaction after seeing Kid Buu, it is very likely that the ki dropped afterwards, since they quite literally sigh in relief after sweating the proverbial bul...

It's more or less a clear increase in the manga for everyone minus Dai Kaioshin, and an iffier issue in the expanded canon. At least, the Daizenshuu makes it clear that Kid Buu isn't stronger than Buff Buu. Buu wasn't getting stronger when he reverted to Kid Buu, he was just powering up (as in gath...

I used to think that fighters of much lower power than his only managed to weaken him. Eventually, he could choose not to tap onto their power, except for both Kais', who trapped him with their souls. I don't know what to think anymore, but in essence, Piccolo's power was being tapped onto because o...

Actually, SSJ Trunks is stronger than SSJ Vegeta, given we see him run circles around Vegeta, who had been struggling with gravity. Hey, it's a feat, not my opinion...

We're arguing different things. I don't even know if I'm against your opinion. I was replying to Dark Prince, but you got caught in the discussion. I agree that Potara Fusion is stronger than the Fusion Dance, but not because the adults got much stronger together than the kids. I just thought the ki...

It's just an example of Dragon Ball's inconsistency, which we shouldn't try to make sense with. I used that example as a reply to your claim that DB wasn't inconsistent, which in turn answers my own claim that we put too much character psychology in our analysis. In other words, we make guesses of t...

That's another discussion, but power and strength differences should be enough. You can never tell when a character is simply getting stronger or just gathering Ki, as Piccolo would against Raditz, and as Vegeta got against Cell. On the other hand, you can tell when people still think that Full Powe...

Well, I always thought Akira Toriyama was a good drawing artist, but not much of a writer. I mean, you can tell with Dragon Ball...

I never thought that simple feats and statements would be met with so much character psychology and guessing of the author's intent, to the point where it's getting ridiculous.

And yet, later on, SSJ Goku and Vegeta finish off a monster that SSJ Gotenks had trouble with, which means the kids can't be right up there (the 2008 special). Vegeta doesn't believe that SSJ Gotenks has any chance at dealing with Beerus, which also means that the kids are way below. The difference ...

Where did all of these formulas come from? I made them. It all started with trying to understand Buu's inner workings by laying down a few numbers, related between them in ways that are easy to understand (if you think in terms of multiplication instead of addition). The basis was that Buu can be p...

I have developed a few formulas that help place Vegetto and Gogeta relative to Buu and his absorptions, with Janemba in between. Fusion Dance = (A + B) * 10, where A and B are equal, which means that it's the same as 20 times the lowest battle power. Potara Fusion = A * B / 10 ** (N - 1), where N is...

Please, it's not Toriyama who's leading his role. TOEI has pretty much opened a deal for some more Goku time, which Akira Toriyama signed, without actually contributing as much as he did through the manga. Gohan may not have been cut out for a leading role, but he's still the loveable dork who dres...

Please, it's not Toriyama who's leading his role. TOEI has pretty much opened a deal for some more Goku time, which Akira Toriyama signed, without actually contributing as much as he did through the manga. Gohan may not have been cut out for a leading role, but he's still the loveable dork who dress...

Resurrection of F is the Days of Future Past of Dragon Ball movies. It wasn't completely necessary to move the plot from its predecessor, but if they didn't use this opportunity to return the franchise to the long forgotten era of Namek, we would be stuck with Gods until the end, because the stakes ...

Ok, so suppose I take all of that in... What happens next? Do we bloat Gohan's Ultimate, Vegetto's SSJ, and Buu's absorptions to the point of no return? There's only so much we can do with the information we're given: not every piece of "evidence" can be taken for granted, and must be deal...

1) Except Piccolo didn't think they wouldn't fare well against Fat Buu. At no point after their failed attempt to take on Buu in their base form does Piccolo suggest they need to train, and, in turn, when it came to Ssj Gotenks flying off to go and take on Fat Buu, Piccolo's one and only comment wa...

There's a few problems with your calculations with that. 1) There's no evidence that Gotenks was capable of anything beyond regular Super Saiya-jin when he was lined up to fight against Fat Buu, so just randomly assuming they had or would have Super Saiya-jin 2 is reaching. Goku basically indicated...

I only have SSJ3 Gotenks 1.6 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku, and Ultimate Gohan 2 times stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. They match my predictions of Buu's power, using symbolic numbers: 10000 - SSJ2 Vegetto (SSJ2 to the power of 2) 8192 - Super Buu w/ Ultimate Gohan 4096 - Super Buu w/ SSJ3 Gotenks 1280...