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by Speedster
Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:48 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Addressing a Toeiism (SSJ x2) with a Toeiism (FSSJ)
Replies: 10
Views: 1129

Re: Addressing a Toeiism (SSJ x2) with a Toeiism (FSSJ)

But what if we say he was using a controlled, at-will version of the False Super Saiyan we saw in movie 4 with Lord Slug? That's a thing that looks like Base, but can actually be close to SSJ in power. Thoughts? If you want to go down that route why not equally say that he is using KKx10 (which aga...
by Speedster
Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:47 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)
Replies: 49
Views: 5331

Re: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)

So your theory here has nothing to back it and is directly contradicted in the series, and is therefore nothing but headcanon. The fact of the matter is that you are the one who actually makes up headcanons. You are the one who makes up rules about supposed required gaps in power levels in order to...
by Speedster
Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)
Replies: 49
Views: 5331

Re: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)

These numbers are absurd. Imperfect Cell is only 10% stronger than Piccolo, yet he walks right through a Light Grenade without taking any damage? Semi Perfect Cell is only 10% stronger than 16, yet he tanks a punch to the face and oneshots him? In that case why did SSJ Goku have any difficulty what...
by Speedster
Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:07 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)
Replies: 49
Views: 5331

Re: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)

First Form Frieza effortlessly destroyed Vegeta which has 10x more gravitational force than Earth. This probably means it's well over 10x more massive since otherwise it would be ridiculously dense. Vegeta would definitely be among the harder planets to destroy. As I said there is a 10million times...
by Speedster
Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:55 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)
Replies: 49
Views: 5331

Re: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)

Battle power may be exponential as well, but the kili scale has a much steeper curve . If one were to consider the kili scale, SSJ's multiplier would be far greater than 50x since it's 3.75x Goku's Base kili rating of 800, and Goku's Base kili rating is only 2.66x planet busting level. Your whole a...
by Speedster
Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:27 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)
Replies: 49
Views: 5331

Re: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)

The kili scale clearly isn't linear , it's stated that you need ~300 kilis to bust a planet, so that would mean SSJ Goku is only 10x planet busting level or only 180,000. Even if you disregard Vegeta's statement that he can destroy the Earth, First Form Frieza casually destroys Planet Vegeta which ...
by Speedster
Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)
Replies: 49
Views: 5331

Re: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)

But Beerus' comments were clearly relative between the forms. He directly compared SSJ3 to SSJ2 and SSJ1. Even if it weren’t directly relative (which they are) and were relative to the base so what? They can still be construed as relative regardless. For example 100xbase is 2x50xbase isn't it? In ot...
by Speedster
Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:39 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)
Replies: 49
Views: 5331

The SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 relative increases according to Beerus & Whis (DBS ep.5)

According to Beerus’ comments (as well as Whis’ reactions) in relation to Goku’s transformations from base to SSJ1, from SSJ1 to SSJ2 and from SSJ2 to SSJ3 in DBS episode 5, it is suggested that the SSJ3’s multiplier upon SSJ2 is much bigger than the SSJ2’s upon SSJ1 which in turn is bigger than SSJ...
by Speedster
Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:39 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How fast is Kinto'un?
Replies: 12
Views: 2118

Re: How fast is Kinto'un?

What would your estimate be? The Kinto'un was able to keep up with Z Piccolo's flight speed so it's got to be pretty fast. Goku used the kinto’un to go from Karin’s tower to the battlefield where Nappa and Vegeta were. According to the Dragonworld map this is a distance about equal to 38% of Earth’...
by Speedster
Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:59 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How fast is Kinto'un?
Replies: 12
Views: 2118

Re: How fast is Kinto'un?

I know the Daizenshuu says its top speed is mach 1.5, but that seems way too slow. Daizenshuu’s entry of Mach 1.5 was in all likelihood based on the comparison that Goku made in chapter 82 between Arale and the kintoun (he said that Arale is as fast as the kintoun). In the Dr Slump manga Arale’s sp...
by Speedster
Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:11 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?

There are 18 distinct power tiers in DB that range from 5 to 416 and then there are 18 tiers thereafter that go up to first form Freeza who is 530K. Here’s from Herms’ list .[spoiler]1: Rabbit Gang thugs, Shu, Mai, Upa, White, Farmer with Shotgun 2: Kuririn (Training Arc), Ran-Fan, "mean" ...
by Speedster
Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:32 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

That's assuming ki blasts bust things by forcing their atoms apart rather than simply destroying them Ki blasts were shown to possess momentum, density and kinetic energy. There is no reason to believe that the physics governing their collision effects would require special physics. Goku’s Kamehame...
by Speedster
Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:07 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

Regardless, power levels are to some extent linear, Saiyan Arc Vegeta was around 18,000 and was capable of blowing up the Earth, the Solar System possesses ~333,000x the mass of the Earth, thus it would require a power level of approximately 6,000,000,000 to destroy and that's right around the leve...
by Speedster
Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:35 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

And along with increasing his power they could have just made Porunga more convenient to use for the heroes if they were ever in an emergency. No, they hadn’t changed anything on Porunga by this point. That happened much later, in the Buu arc. Chapter 329 is still at the very end of the Freeza arc,...
by Speedster
Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:51 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

King Kai, Tenshinhan and the narrator all simply use the word power rather than power level when referring to the Kaioken's boost. And Frieza says he's only using 50% of his power, also referring to power level, yet Goku understands exactly what he means. The narrator used the term battle power . A...
by Speedster
Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:06 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

In your own quote Goku mentions power along with the other things, therefore he's referring to multipliers above x2 as otherwise his power would not be many times greater. And King Kai specifically tells him not to raise his power over two-fold, this proves that the scouters use the same measuremen...
by Speedster
Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

I suppose it's just a coincidence, then, that the Kaioken is which is stated to multiply your ki corresponds specifically to scouter units. Well, although the Kaioken was shown and stated to multiply the scouter power level by the corresponding multiplier it was never stated to multiply the ki by t...
by Speedster
Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:01 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

Probably grenades are too slow when Goku is already massively hypersonic and capable of dodging lasers. I think the only actual proper excuse for this whole grenade bullsh*t is to say that the reason it would damage Goku/Tao is because of the speed the grenade was thrown by Taopaipai/Goku as this w...
by Speedster
Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:13 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be (at a BP of) 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 3810

Re: Is it really possible for beginning of DB Goku to only be 10?

If you don't want to admit that power levels are nothing but BS then you at least have to accept that they don’t scale linearly with feats and that their governing function is piece-wise (I would say you have a different function for every 100fold range, 5-500, 500-50K, 50K-5M, etc). For the sub 500...
by Speedster
Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: How fast is Beerus?
Replies: 22
Views: 5150

Re: How fast is Beerus?

When Beerus showed up, Whis said that only 2mins and 20 seconds (i.e. 140 seconds) passed since he was given the task and that he had 40 seconds left. Given Whis’ confidence that he could complete the task within the given 3 minutes (180 seconds) it means that he could fly that distance back in unde...