Kanzenshuu

Is he expecting Goku to have stayed the same after all this time though? Narratively wise, I don't think it matters. It's about scale Freeza> SSJ Goku>SSJ Trunks> Androids. Adding a couple million to this doesn't do anything. Toriyama has no interest in Freeza being better, he's just a tool to hype...

Vegeta never trained his spirit so the gains were big. Goku already did with Kaio. Even if his spirit wasn't as unpolished as Vegeta's, if it took him most of a year to master Shunkan Ido, there was definitely plenty of room for improvement. I'm not saying he doubled or tripled his strength or anyt...

Vegeta never trained his spirit so the gains were big. Goku already did with Kaio. Even if his spirit wasn't as unpolished as Vegeta's, if it took him most of a year to master Shunkan Ido, there was definitely plenty of room for improvement. I'm not saying he doubled or tripled his strength or anyt...

People have him that high? I think I have him at 130 million, 135 max. We know from Super that Goku spent almost the entire time on Yadart learning IT so he shouldn't be that much stronger than on Namek. Yeah, but doesn't learning Shunkan Ido involve lots of Spirit Control training? Just meditating...

Power Levels: A Modest Proposal This is a really well thought out and interesting way of looking at things, and I might end up incorporating some aspects of this system into my own battle power lists (the idea of using Goku and Piccolo's 300~400-ish numbers as "at rest" battle powers to m...

SSJG Goku: 1 This is the base for the whole list. In his fight with Beerus, Goku is shown to absorb this power into his SSJ form and then even his base form by the end of the fight, as he pushes Beerus' "full power" attack. FnF Goku: 1.2 ~ SSJ: 60 ~ SSJ2: 120 ~ SSJ3 (Goku only): 480 ~ SSJ...

What numbers do you give to Muri and other elder, dragon-type Namekians? Cardass gives him a power level of 5,000; much stronger than even those Namekian farmers. But most of the power levels in cardass seems to be random card game stats only loosely based on power levels so I'd take them as a grai...

ZombieVito wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm So who was stronger? Kid Buu or SS3 Goku?

I think Goku had the edge in raw power. Boo's regeneration and infinite stamina more than evened the odds, though.

I hope 2uper never happens. Or, failing that, Super comes back as a series of movies instead of a TV series.

Moreover, I'm not convinced that Goku's 3,000 kiri rating even represents his full power. He only turned Super Saiyan to light up the room, not because Yakon had him outmatched.

louisascommie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:19 amThough even those 80s movies portrays the nerds as really sexist and rapey

Hilariously enough, my copy of Perfect Blue arrived in the mail yesterday (it's actually a 90s movie, but whatever).

Cursed Lemon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:40 pm With sexual assault being such a common thing at nerd conventions, is it any wonder that a bunch of royal fuckup weebs might want to donate to a cause that minimizes what they themselves might very well be guilty of?

Huh. Never thought about it from that angle.

Well that's fucking disgusting. I wasn't going KamehaCon anyways, but if I was, I'd definitely be reconsidering right about now.

p-hyvo wrote:I'm sure he has. Absolutely

Check the website's Battle Power Guide. Vegeta's highest official battle power is the 250k number from that one V-Jump article, and even that one's up for debate, given that the Daizenshuu and Super Exciting Guide never reprinted it.

p-hyvo wrote: Plus, vegeta is 2'400'000 in daizenshuu, not 2'700'000

Vegeta doesn't have a Daizenshuu battle power for that section of the story at all.

Er.....Ummmm....I've got some bad news for ya buddy...... If your bad news is Dragon Ball (manga) Vol. 43 introducing the story told in Super (anime), then I'll be worried. Written by Toriyama = canon Toriyama writes Super. It's literally that simple. Toriyama writes a list of bullet points detaili...

Isn't this more of an In-Universe topic? Why is it in the General Franchise Discussion?

I care way more about the manga's finalé than I do Dragon Ball Super. Nothing's going to supplant the original material. If Super does end up retconning the end of the manga, then Super's just a non-canon AU as far as I'm concerned.

That " they foresaw they have Ssj" argument Is non sensical. How could they? They " felt" only their base forms. they didn't even know about ssj and they believed that goku, Gohan and Vegeta were simple humans, here's why they have underestimated them and sent pocus after them. ...

Thats a shame that, in buu saga, base Vegeta was sure to win the tournament even if there were piccolo and #18 kek. Are you saying that buu saga piccolo and #18 are < namec freezer? Moreover, there ewe multiple evidencens that basecgoku, Vegeta and Gohan were > shin in buu saga, and as you might kn...