Kanzenshuu

Plus this episode sorta solidified and supported the fact that Artificial Human no.17 is indeed God level, and is rivaling Super Saiyan Blues in power. So the redundant downplay claiming No.17 isn't God level should maybe, just stop. But nevertheless No.17, along with Freeza, Gokou, and Vegeta got d...

It is contradictory because Potara fusion have set in stone power up given to those who use it ( unless noted like rivalry which is not the case here), if A < A' and B < B' then LOGICALLY (A+B)m < (A'+B')m . Caulifla and Kale are BOTH weaker than a tired SSG goku IN THEIR STRONGEST FORM, Vegito sho...

I can't understand how someone can tell kelfa is stronger than SSB vegito, it just contradicti about every logic in and out of the universe. You should really explain how it's "contradictory" as you claim. This is basically an example of an Hitchen's Razor argument. This argument can be d...

[quote="brett wheeler"] about sbg, it doesnt exist as a separate form, nor has it ever, goku does hold back a lot to have a fair fight but that doesnt mean sbg is a thing. personally I dont believe gokus base is ssg lvl just really strong ( above ssj vegito buu saga definitely ) See there'...

And about Kefla, she is very well comparable to a ssb kaioken x20. Oh yeah indeed, even in her suppressed state. Then she slaps Blue Gokou w/Kaioken like it's nothing. Then there's Ultra Instinct Gokou for the second time. A stronger Ultra Instinct, whom Kefla as a Super Saiyan 2 is comparable to a...

How is Kefla over Vegetto? Kale is not SSG tier. She couldn't even beat a tired SSG Goku. There's no Saiyan beyond God. First off, Kefla is likely beyond Future Trunks story arc Vegetto Blue. Even if you go the manga route, she'd still be beyond Vegetto Blue due to the fact she was stated to rival ...

Double post sorry (cant seem to edit) I dont think almost anyone is debating whether vegito can beat beerus, they are debating whether vegito and beerus are on par with each other Well Vegetto now could very well be on the level of suppressed Beerus at least. Same goes for Ultra Instinct Gokou, Kef...

Green wrote:Toyotaro himself said he didn't know who was stronger between Vegetto and Beerus so there's not much room for debate here.

Right. People take Shin's statement hyper-literally.

Top Strongest beings we seen so far (excluding Zen Oh, Grand Priest, Angels, Merged Zamasu) Based on the ANime and Manga (Just my Opinion though, could be wrong) 1.) Geene and Beerus 2.) Champa, Quitela, Liquir, Helles 3.) Jiren, Rumshii, Belmod 4.) Arak, Iwne 5.) Mosco, Sidra (Barrier Specialist a...

So does anyone have a good explanation as to why Dyspo can hurt Hit but not Frieza? Hit was allowing himself to be hit by Dysport to figure out a way to counter Dysports' speed and attacks. He was attacking Hit with great speed and powerful attacks. Hit had to figure out a method to keep up with Dy...

A complete mess. It's almost as ep. 109 didn't happen. As if Jiren never blitzed SsjB KKx20 Goku like nothing. Toei pulled a Merged Zamasu all over again. I'm really sick of this nonsense bullshit. The manga is way better because power levels actually make sense there. And power scales are everythi...

Buu is only Base Goku level, nothing more. Caulifla and Kale( Pre-Mastering Berserk) were able to hold their own against SSJ2 Goku, so they're not too far behind as you're implying. As soon as Kale Mastered her Berserk LSSJ, SSJ2 Goku was on the ropes and he transformed into SSG in order to have an...

Makes me wonder how Boo would fair against certain fighters. Buu vs Beserker Kale? Anilaza? Jiren? Toppo? SSJ2 Caulifla? All would've been fairly interesting fights. Boo would probably fair well against Kale and Caulifla (Obviously not Kefla). Mainly because Kale and Caulifla seem pretty relative t...

I’m almost sure some Japanese speaker from here told me Goku meant Fit Boo was faster, but not admittedly stronger than before. But Boo really IS much stronger than before though. Keep in mind, he WAS able to keep up with Base form Gokou regardlessly if he somewhat playing around or even holding ba...

dragon boss z wrote: Yes I know I meant when Buu got fat again he probably lost all of his strength gains as well. Also that whole Buu becoming skinny and fighting Goku was filler. Buu is still Buu ranges in power, nothing implies otherwise.

Umm.... Super has no filler.

And Krillin forced Goku to go ssj, whats your point? Every episode has different writers and they just seem to make Goku a random strength every episode. And like I said you could argue skinny good Buu is the strongest, but you seemed to imply current fat buu was also. Like I said earlier, Gokou te...

And Krillin forced Goku to go ssj, whats your point? Every episode has different writers and they just seem to make Goku a random strength every episode. And like I said you could argue skinny good Buu is the strongest, but you seemed to imply current fat buu was also. Like I said earlier, Gokou te...

Same way you can solve any of Super's scaling issues, Goku was holding back. I'm not saying he was, just that it's a likely scenario. My opinion is that Buu had become a lot stronger in those 2 hours he had to train. I think of his potential as that of Frieza but on steroids. I agree. However Gokou...

[quote="Bullza] Ummm Buu isn't any stronger than he was during the Majin Buu arc. At best you could argue that skinny good Buu is the strongest Buu (which I doubt), but current Fat Buu isn't any stronger than he used to be, or at least there is no proof he is. [/quote] Umm..... How can you say...

And about Kefla. Are you downplaying her?! Because she should very well be beyond the Genkidama dude. It's stated over and over. Perhaps we should debate on this? It depends what you would count as a downplay. I see Super Saiyan Kefla as being stronger than a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Vegito as S...