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For those who want to know the power level of the movie, we have some answers with the New "wafers". Piccolo has 5000 (far weaker than C17 during TOP 6500-7000). Gohan ultimate 7600 (weaker than Goku ssgod 7700-7800). So Gohan still far from blue tier and Piccolo still weak sadly... https...

I've been wondering about this image. Does anybody know what it says specifically in Krillin, Gohan, Vegeta and Piccolo's sections? I want to know the exact lines' translations.

Okay, so it's a little early right now for Superhero strength discussion, but the latest trailer and information does give us a little more to chew on. Gamma 1 and 2 are meant to be the strongest Androids yet. Whether that pans out relative to 17's strength right now is up for debate, since the tra...

1- Final Form Cooler vs Mecha Freeza 2- 1st form Cell absorbs 19 and 20, how strong does he get? can he beat Super Vegeta or the Broly-ish Super Trunks? 3- Dabura vs 8 Cell Jrs. 4- Namek Vegeta (can go Ohzaru) vs Reecoome, Burta and Jeece. ---what if Ginyu joins the fight? 5- Kid Piccolo Jr. vs Kid...

The Cell Jrs. were not Perfect Cell level. Cell stated that Goku was losing because he was tired. A fresh Goku would have beaten the Cell Jr. easily, since those were stated to rival Vegeta and Trunks. Goku was in a different league compared to them. Buu Saga Piccolo would be somewhere above Trunks...

How about Buu Saga Piccolo vs End-of-Cell-Saga Vegeta? I have Piccolo winning this but after a hard fight. I can even see him defeating a Cell Jr, since 7 years ago he wasn't that far behind one. However, he is still nowhere near Cell Games Goku, Gohan, and much less Perfect Cell. I don't think we ...

Demon Prince Piccolo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:09 pm How about Buu Saga Piccolo vs End-of-Cell-Saga Vegeta?

I have Piccolo winning this but after a hard fight. I can even see him defeating a Cell Jr, since 7 years ago he wasn't that far behind one.

However, he is still nowhere near Cell Games Goku, Gohan, and much less Perfect Cell.

Piccolo Jr. VS Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Yamcha Who wins and why? The gap between Piccolo Jr. and Krillin, Tien and Yamcha during the 23rd Tournament was so big to the point that Piccolo stated that he would kill them easily even when tired. There is a scene of the 3 wanting to help Goku and Piccolo...

Ok but how about this. Current Blue Evolution Vegeta vs Moro 7-3. And then Round 2 against Angel Moro. I'm pretty sure Current SSBE Vegeta should already be stronger than Moro 7-3. Not sure about Angel Moro until more evidence is given when it comes to SSBE Vegeta's level compared to UI Goku. New m...

What are the chances that Beerus is stronger than Goku in the same way Monaka was stronger than Goku in the Universe 6 Arc? He could just be lying through his teeth again just to motivate Goku to get stronger or something. Beerus is known to be a liar, I don't even know why people take his word ser...

As said above, Broly was not in his Base form.

Base Broly was dominated by SSG Vegeta. He only thought SSB when he transformed into an Oozaru-like power up. Explained in the movie itself. His Base form would have get stomped by SSB if he couldn't even beat SSG.

It is my favourite DBS arc, far better than the ToP in my opinion. I love how it even gives some spotlight to characters that deserved spotlight in the ToP, such as Buu and Yamcha, and gave Piccolo and Gohan some more action than before. It has some faults, yeah. But I like it better than the previ...

It is my favourite DB arc, far better than the ToP in my opinion. I love how it even gives some spotlight to characters that deserved spotlight in the ToP, such as Buu and Yamcha, and gave Piccolo and Gohan some more action than before. It has some faults, yeah. But I like it better than the previou...

Thanks both! I very much appreciate the positive feedback, it's very kind. I'm glad to see the theory getting a positive reception overall (and a tad relieved!). The only thing I'm not sure about is Tien being above Kami in BoZ. I agree - I didn't like it when I first did it, and on reflection I li...

while in the manga he didn't (stated quite a few times during the arc). Well, he did (technically) train by taming the Cell Juniors who were stated to all be as strong as they were in the Cell Arc. So with seven SS1-tier fighters. Explaining why he went from Cell Arc Piccolo tier to Universe Surviv...

One thing that needs to be remembered is that 17 trained in the anime (he said so to Goku), while in the manga he didn't (stated quite a few times during the arc). Obviously 17 showed his potential more in the anime because of that handicap. In the manga, without even training, being able to surpas...

One thing that needs to be remembered is that 17 trained in the anime (he said so to Goku), while in the manga he didn't (stated quite a few times during the arc). Obviously 17 showed his potential more in the anime because of that handicap. In the manga, without even training, being able to surpass...

Power Levels: A Modest Proposal Okay. Now I was finally able to read all of your analysis through each DB arc. And I must say, this is quite a fantastic job! It's really a nice theory that shows how power levels could work in the context of OG DB, and you managed to explain it quite splendidly. The...

Doesn’t that only say that 17 has great potential? Toriyama approved 17’s strenght in the anime but that doesn’t have anything to do with 17’s strenght in the manga. Toriyama also clearly approved 17’s strenght to be the level that it is in the manga which also shows he has great potential since he...

I'm still not able to see any source that confirms any complaints to Toei about 17's level and that Toei said to them that it was Toriyama's idea. I won't believe it until I see it, so for now I still have Manga 17 as far weaker than CSSB tier until it's proven. Manga 17 is only slightly superior to...