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Animation works the same way, different film stocks will make the cels look different. Now once again, and I cannot stress this enough but I feel like I must, I have never said the cels, or more specifically the color reference charts, should not be used as a source, which is where I think the disc...

You guys keep intentionally misunderstanding the point that I and others are making. Of course having the character sheets and the color charts can help you determine the actual cel colors. No one is saying otherwise and they are a great reference tool. But the point is that those cel colors do not...

Idk that is the best source I found, even so, it doesn't even matter because the original color of the cels are already know https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M-0Z-iCnodzxTazuaREOjrlOeZeMyZkeO_IfvED02yA/edit?usp=sharing The original cel color are not fully accurate? What? I think you really m...

The original cel color are not fully accurate? What? I think you really missed the current development of this thread because we do have the exact value of the cel color now. So this whole idea of "we don't have a good reference source so let's just stick to the closest we can get by combining...

Point is original broadcast video is the final product, not cels. If you want to color-correct and/or remaster the dragon box to make it look like the real full intention, use the original fuji tv broadcast as reference. NOT cels. 16mm scans can look more stretched than cels, it's only natural. Esp...

Ahem... Here is a comparison between a sonic anime animation cel vs the footage. https://i.imgur.com/g88lUfo_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=large I don't think Dragon Ball used analog effects, but even then, a lot of film to tape edited media will have lighting conditions shift pe...

Point is original broadcast video is the final product, not cels. If you want to color-correct and/or remaster the dragon box to make it look like the real full intention, use the original fuji tv broadcast as reference. NOT cels. 16mm scans can look more stretched than cels, it's only natural. Esp...

Using the cels as a reference is like saying a demo version of a game is the actual final product. Animation Cels are meant to be scanned with different colors and aspect ratios to begin with, which is why you see these bright, bleached skin colors for Goku in the cels. They're not the final produc...

Well, someone pointed out that SV's upscale doesn't have Topaz-like artefacts so I proved it does, and also showed how you can almost replicate it single-handedly, which although may differ from the actual release to a certain extent, it's very likely to be caused by the difference in quality of th...

Dragon Box / Selecta Visión Blu-ray / Dragon Box + Topaz AI + boosted contrast https://i.imgur.com/p1U8B59.png As you can see, Selecta Visión's upscale does have this sort of oil painting-like reconstructed details that strongly resemble those in Topaz AI's upscale. Again, they're not truly 100% id...

also some tones of blues and violets seem to be "crushed" in dragon box, which means it is impossible to get an accurate color in the same frame good look trying to get accurate colors here https://i.imgur.com/5tFgLMC.png kai https://i.imgur.com/Kx6fjZc.png I don't know, I don't have the ...

Venny wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:17 pm

Damn the out-of-context framing in this is disgusting. No wonder this Lightningexpose guy aka Enigmo got banned again.

an attempt with accurate colors, is not mine https://imgsli.com/OTU2ODY/0/2 https://imgsli.com/OTU2OTA/0/2 https://imgsli.com/OTU2OTE/0/2 https://imgsli.com/OTU2OTI/0/2 None of those are even close to be accurate except for the blue on vegeta's suit I don't think is possible to achieve the exact sa...

Trachta10 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:30 am an attempt with accurate colors, is not mine

https://imgsli.com/OTU2ODY/0/2
https://imgsli.com/OTU2OTA/0/2
https://imgsli.com/OTU2OTE/0/2
https://imgsli.com/OTU2OTI/0/2

None of those are even close to be accurate except for the blue on vegeta's suit

I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I tried to make a drawing of Bardock using the Toei color chart, and...first off, I had a hard time trying to get the right colors, and even when I got the right colors, the colors turned out worse than I thought. Should I have put a filter over it or something...

You don't seem to know what half of the stuff I'm referring to means, and that's fine but why are you still arguing if this is all too complex for you. "You don't even have an accurate reference". Chief, that's the whole point. When you use multiple references for direction you can use yo...

I won't pretend to understand exactly what Steve Franko is doing there, but to me it looks more like a calibration thing he did for the scanner one time, using that TAF, before scanning the DBZ reels. A far cry from your desire of matching the exact color palette for each character on every single ...

$2,000 maybe? It depends on how fast do you want to get it off. There're a lot on Yahoo Japan Auction with crazy prices that were just sitting there with no one knocking. You can also take the route on putting it on a 7 day auction and let the market tell you what it's worth. This way you can be sur...

> So people who were looking at cel color for reference were not intended to try to match the cel color? A good colorist looks at references without the intention of copying all the values, yes...what's so difficult to understand about this? There's a reason why "referencing" and "co...

Who is it that's trying to match cel colors via copying the exact values? Anyone who's actually got a good output out of doing so? Anybody with a brain who is referencing cels is looking at them to confirm for example whether DB Goku's gi is more red than orange, or Piccolo's skin is more green tha...