Kanzenshuu

Going back to the question of which this thread consists, I'd say he's simply a Kaioshin of another Universe other than the 6th or 7th ones, hence a good guy. I couldn't call him a "hero", as you can't really call the Kaioshin's actions during the Majin Buu arc - let alone after that - her...

DBSuper does have fantastic concepts, when GT lacks them completely. I disagree completely there. SSJ4, Baby, and the Shadow Dragons are all incredible ideas in my eyes. The only thing is that the Shadow Dragons were excutely poorly. I will admit Omega Shenron's design is awesome though. Regardless...

Eh, but I'm judging something that won't change; his design, it is what we see, what it is. With an amount of time on-screen we judge personality, and that's not what I did here. If Omni-King possesses a transformation, it probably won't affect his normal form, and I'll judge his transformation alo...

His physical appearance as far as his body goes can be subject to debate in terms of taste, but I personally like it, and I have to be honest, when I first looked at him he stroke me as evil. Totally wrong on that one, and unexpected. But he was indeed another character whose potential was sorely m...

See? Personal tastes also play their part and bear on how much a fan likes or dislikes a particular aspect of a character's design. But we're just talking about the design, a proper analysis on a(ny) character must go far deeper than that and beyond, and in that regard I've already stated the main r...

The "outrage" comes mainly from the fact that we would expect something other than I think that's your (general, plural "your") problem, then: Toriyama's entire modus operandi has been to defy expectations and do the total opposite of what people want. This is something that (ag...

I'm really struggling to understand this outrage over the Zen'o design, myself. If anything, the outrage should be directed at the fact that it's Toriyama doing exactly everything he's done before, instead of something new. Turtle sage? Dynamic between expected old master and lecherous dude. Karin?...

I love it when Z fans get angry at childish designs. NEWSFLASH DB HAS ALWAYS BEEN CHILDISH. You'd think people would get how AT works after 30 years. Oh yeah, sure, Zen-ou-sama's appearance totally measures up to an ultra-powerful biologically engineered being sucking the life out of millions of pe...

No one was supposed to be above the Kaioshin, but Beerus is. No one is supposed to be above Beerus, but Whis is. How does that make sense when they were introduced together? You're making it sound like that wasn't the case. And hierarchically, Whis isn't above Beerus. Regardless of whether you look...

Remember, Black is seen travelling back in time and using his ring. It's additional "proof" that he has innate or acquired powers that go beyond mere fighting prowess or hugely large Ki, he's probably on par with the most powerful dities in terms of time, space and reality manipulation. L...

I have a feeling that Black Goku might not play as big a role as he's coming off. i feel that his presence and involvement will segue into what the REAL threat is. Kinda like when the Androids were introduced and it turned out to be Cell that ended up being the focal point of that arc. I hope not, ...

Kishido wrote:Stronger as Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks

Why the hell would he be that strong? What are your basing that opinion on?

When there's no apparent way to solve an issue regarding consistency or having something make sense in one definitive way, we always reach a point where it's just pointless to keep discussing it and have everyone believe what they want to believe. Everyone expressed their own opinions and views, in ...

Remember, Black is seen travelling back in time and using his ring. It's additional "proof" that he has innate or acquired powers that go beyond mere fighting prowess or hugely large Ki, he's probably on par with the most powerful dities in terms of time, space and reality manipulation.

It always struck me as odd as why Frost would pose such a threat to Goku or even Piccolo. Piccolo is far stronger than a normal Super Saiya-jin, and a normal Super Saiya-jin is stronger than Freeza/Frost in any of his/their forms, especially the very first one. Piccolo should be leagues above Frost ...

As far as all (Super) Saiya-jins go, this is my list (with a * the ones still "active" in DBSuper currently): 1 - Super Saiya-jin Blue Goku + 10x Kaio-Ken 2 - Super Saiya-jin Blue Goku 3 - Super Saiya-jin Blue Vegeta 4 - Base Goku with power of SSJG 5 - Base Vegeta with power of SSJG 6 - S...

Kishido wrote:Super Saiyan Future Trunks > Super Saiyan Cabba > Future Trunks > Cabba > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Super Saiyan KID Trunks = Super Saiyan Mystic Gohan

You're joking, right?

The whole debate over how to define canon? Seriously? After we all just put out our own ideas on the matter in more than one thread? It's like what happened in episode 48's thread a few pages before the one it's currently reached, no one would stop discussing how Gohan has become an irrelevant chara...

Yeah. The pacing for 47 & 48 was pretty good, but the NEP for Episode 49 left me feeling that we suddenly kicked too far into overdrive. Granted that's only based on our limited knowledge of the arc and what we've been shown thus far. But Toriyama's comment and the fact that we haven't seen Zam...

Zzzzzz Goku black being just a threat to the earth is boring, make him a universal threat please. If the Zen-ou-sama feels it necessary to get involved in the fight against him somehow then it most certainly means he's powerful enough to mean a threat to the entire universe, but everyone evil since...