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Considering Toriyama came out himself and said Broly would get mopped by a completed Cell Max, he is not a benchmark. Revealing that he isn't afraid to pack up the car and drive off without him. Toyotaro explicitly did this in the manga [Freeza is the strongest]. Heck Gohan is the current strongest...

Sufficiently greater skill making one able to defeat much "raw power" stronger enemies has been a thing for a while, after all. More than that, this is the entire concept behind martial arts. Like, it's the whole point. And Dragon Ball is nothing if not a martial arts series. The flying a...

No. Vegeta says it himself in the new movie that Jiren isn't that much stronger than them. He's just able to bring out more of his power. Vegeta says that Jiren in truth wasn't that much stronger (present tense? past tense? it's not clear), but because he can use his powers to the fullest he seems ...

The current conversation in this thread is a stark reminder as to why "feats" can sometimes make people blind to the context of what they're talking about. The story makes it clear, unequivocally and on multiple occasions, that both Granolah and Gas were pretty shit at wielding their new ...

I always assume there is a lag, they have stuff planned out long in advance so it takes a while before they can implement new shit. I'm out of the story mode regarding the power scaling but i assume UI/EGO/beast/orange could steal the win from the protagonist. It involves time travel but I suspect ...

I'm often surprised with how long it takes for this game to deliver on the obvious choices. Still no Orange Piccolo? Another Gogeta Blue? Interesting choice. Maybe it's because the Dragon Ball Super anime is gone, so they feel the need to hold back popular characters, so they can draw people back i...

Canonically tho, the Tournament of Power happened in Age 780, while Super Hero occurred in 783. So it's been only 3 years since they fought Jiren. Goku also make benchmarks of the other Gods of Destruction, Belmod included, despite Jiren being explicitly the better fighter of the two. So instead of ...

Historically, how much stronger does Black Freeza need to be than Goku and Vegeta to one shot them like that? Well, Vegeta one-shotted Cui when they were respectivelly 24k and 18k in power level. So it would seem a 25% difference would be enough most of times as per the show's standards. Do we acco...

picc wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:50 am Historically, how much stronger does Black Freeza need to be than Goku and Vegeta to one shot them like that?

Well, Vegeta one-shotted Cui when they were respectivelly 24k and 18k in power level. So it would seem a 25% difference would be enough most of times as per the show's standards.

All of the characters seen in the other Universes could have come from Universe 7 and nothing would be missing. The concept of "twin Universes" only applies to Universe 6 and Universe 7, to some extent. You can barely say anything that justifies the other Universes to have their own "...

How do you think would win out of the current match ups, the dark power infused guys in the grey column or the teams to the right. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XzYySWK2F9nBj-_7CG5TGl_iqukCo9CqHQijjjO7dtQ/edit?usp=sharing I'm not seeing Gogeta last long enough to beat all of them. I think...

Except, you know, DB already has that concept you're thinking of. Both "alternate timelines" where all that can happen and "universes entirely different from our own" coexist. U6 is similar because it's U7's twin, but even then there are no Freezas or Gokus there. Even Kale is a ...

They aren't that bad at writing them, they're bad at handling them. I think most of the characters are likeable and have story potential, but they always get brushed aside. It was straight up insulting to me how they turned 17 into such an important character of an arc out of nowhere, while leaving...

Toriyama would likely be referring to current Broly who is learning to control his power, whereas in this case would make him closer to Gogeta and Cell Max would have been closer to what he was like. Either way Gohan Beast no diffed Cell Max, illustrating an astronomical difference between himself ...

Neither: It is of course possible, but that person's body was cut to pieces long ago, and cannot be regenerated. There would be no point in his spirit returning with his body in such a condition. Of course Sorbet asks for his resurrection anyway after Tagoma reminded him of their regeneration machi...

Well, I just finished the movie, and I gotta say... Cell Max, as powerful as he was portrayed, definitely didn't follow the usual power structure so prevalent in DB (and even in the same movie!). He was constantly being pushed back either by energy blasts or physical strikes by Goten/Trunks/Gotenks,...

Tori does make a distinction, however. He says Black can turn Super Saiyan like Goku AND "a Super Saiyan of a slight different color from Goku". He has those two forms, as per Toriyama's notes. They can't be the same, as per the premise of the note.

The show demonstrates three things. 1) Goku's and Vegeta's strength aren't apart in the same forms, save for kaioken. 2) Black drove a blade into Vegeta's guts while Vegeta was too busy slamming on him (to little effect, but still). And being pierced by a blade all the way to the other side of your ...

And yet Black didn't one-shot Goku during their fight right after, nor Trunks for that matter. It's not really that complicated, Black in Rosé IS supposed to be stronger than both Goku and Vegeta in Blue, but not so much that they can't fight back at all against him.

The anime clearly has Super Saiyan Rose as a different multiplier. Base Goku Black had power surpassing Super Saiyan God and upon obtaining Rose, he wasn't drastically above the Blue Saiyans. In fact, even the manga seems to have Base Goku Black considerably stronger than the Base Saiyans. I would ...