Kanzenshuu

Would a potara fusion between Tien and Goku have been able to take down Boohan? Assuming he had full access to all of Goku's unlocked SS forms at his disposal? Strangely, unlike most people here, I do have him beating Boohan, but only with SSJ3. Other forms would be a stomp from Boohan. I have (x+x...

Those 180 and 260 numbers don't really make sense. 180: If Goku and Tien were 180, then they would be stronger than BOZ Yamcha's 177, and 23rd Yamcha could see Weighted Goku's speed that was equal to Young King Piccolo, yet 22nd Goku couldn't to Old King Piccolo. 260: It's strangely over BOZ Tien's ...

Roshi never said Goku was going to have a tough fight. Bacterian, Ranfan, Giran, and Nam wouldn't of been able to touch Roshi if he didn't want them to. Your argument of Roshi not knowing Tao's strength, but somehow knowing Chappa's doesn't make sense. Defeating the budokai contestants without gett...

What did he say that made him think Goku would have problems? And Goku had problems against the red ribbon army and Grandpa Gohan, so Chappa giving him problems (which he didn't) doesn't prove he is more dangerous than Gohan or the red ribbon army. And Goku even post Korrin had a harder time agains...

Roshi never thought Goku would lose. He just thought Chappa might be enough to actually test Goku a bit. Yamcha is just a chump. And ya I see a good argument for Chappa being above Akkuman, but not Tao. Tao is on a completely different level. And when characters talk about him, they talk as if he i...

Notice how they are saying Goku is fast, and not Chappa. That doesn't really help Chappa's case. I can see why you think Krillin could beat Tao, but at least he actually has some feats to back it up. Chappa's best feat is winning the budokai without being touched, which is something 21st Roshi woul...

What if tien hit Goten and trunks with the neo kikoho,do you guys think that Goten and trunks will survive that attack I'd say they would indeed survive the attack, since I have the kids below Semi Perfect Cell, but not that much weaker, since the kids as SSJ's were stated to be far above A18 (even...

My only concern on trying to begin a DB power level list is Krillin and Yamcha. In the 23rd Budokai, they were supposed to be nearly on the same league, with both of them being able to see Tien and Goku's movements on fighting, as well as Yamcha being complemented by Kami. Yamcha was weaker than Kri...

Seeing how someone improved doesn't equal might lose or barely being able to win. He just thought Chappa was enough of an opponent where Goku might have to do more than a warm up, but he wasn't. I don't think Rroshi said Goku was too fast. Goku's tournament strength and fighting in real life streng...

I'm pretty sure Tien said that Yamcha/Krillin level people couldn't beat Tao, or at least it was implied. And Roshi wasn't surprised Goku beat Chappa. He was just surprised he beat him so easily. Roshi was actually surprised that Goku beat Tao. There is no reason to think Chappa is stronger. That i...

To be honest here. I do believe Goku is indeed around the 416 mark. The reason I say this is because Goku stated that there was completely huge gap between his and Raditz' power. He was even shocked and scared about it, and only wanted to fight him because Raditz kidnapped his son. He decided to tea...

2. You are contradicting yourself. You say Roshi just knows Tao is the number 1 assassin but doesn't know his strength, but you could say the same for Chappa. All he knew was his reputation. And I would argue Roshi knew Tao's strength since he is the younger brother of his hold friend/rival. Also 2...

1. Yes, if you get stronger your speed and strength goes up. But if you train speed your speed will go up more than your strength. And it isn't just special cases like Burter. Goku was faster than Ginyu even though his power level was less and he wasn't strong enough to get out of Ginyu's grasp wit...

1. I agree Tien may of been around Goku's strength when he fought King Piccolo, but that still doesn't mean he has the same raw power as King Piccolo had. Even Goku couldn't bust cities like King Piccolo did. Or at least if he could it was never shown. Yajirobe even said it was amazing Goku could b...

1. Tien practically admits he didn't surpass Goku's strength from back then. And Bulma was watching SSB Goku fight Golden Frieza. Using people watching the fight to justify how strong they are is unreliable. 2. Roshi didn't know Goku beat Tao at that point. When he herd Goku beat Tao he was complet...

What about Cell? I think he would like to fight Dabura. Also, Dabura was Perfect Cell tier independent of Gohan being MSSJ or SSJ2. If Gohan was a MSSJ (Wich i belive is not the case, btw), Dabura was toying with him to get some energy to Buu. Oh. I didn't read well your post and I thought it was &...

1. Tien mentioning Goku got stronger, but not faster, and how he worked his speed is clear evidence different stats can be changed. It's possible Tien's power level could of surpassed King Piccolo's, but there is nothing to prove it. 22nd Goku could see Old King Piccolo's movements. He even landed ...

1. Being faster doesn't mean stronger. Tien even said he worked on his speed. Burter is a good example of someone with high speed. BOZ Tien has a power level of 250. The Daizenshuu put King Piccolo at 260. We don't know if here is the same case as later in the series. Yes, Tien said he worked in hi...

Maybe he hasn't fully mastered his ki control. The point is that given all of the power statements given back in DB, Z Goku has to be nearly ~100x stronger than beginning of DB Goku. Also, Vegeta who was at 18,000 had a clear advantage over Kaioken x2 Goku who was over 16,000, that's only ~10% if y...

What about Cell? I think he would like to fight Dabura. Also, Dabura was Perfect Cell tier independent of Gohan being MSSJ or SSJ2. If Gohan was a MSSJ (Wich i belive is not the case, btw), Dabura was toying with him to get some energy to Buu. Oh. I didn't read well your post and I thought it was &...