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by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39831
Views: 3837607

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Kibito and Supreme Kai were roughly equal, and their fusion was barely an upgrade of the power they were at individually. Were Kibit and Shin equal? I was always under the impression that Kibit was more comparable to base Gohan and that Shin exceeded Piccolo by an unknown amount (likely not by enou...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:11 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42696
Views: 5589654

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

It was stated in Movie 14 . I'd thought about this as well, but I don't think the movie continuity and the manga continuity are quite compatible, given the whole SSJ Red level base forms in the films that are presumably absent entirely from the manga. Please don't misunderstand; I believe 100% that...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:03 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42696
Views: 5589654

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

It was Toyotaro's idea to showcase Vegeta as Super Saiyan God, yes, but its concept is not Toyotaro's doing. And we know Toriyama changes a lot his mind, he said Goku wouldn't use Super Saiyan 2, 3 and God anymore but here we are. A fair point. Was it stated officially that Toriyama had intended fo...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39831
Views: 3837607

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

But a Kale not at the height of her power, fused with Caulfla's power via Patorra is still stronger than a full power Kale alone. Also don't forget that the Patorra's power is so great, Elder Shin stated Goku won't even need to transform into SS before fusing [Chapter: 502]. The reason Vegetto was ...
by Black Hawk
Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39831
Views: 3837607

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Wow, Vados only lists Caulifla and Kale's respective strength differences. Caulfla obviously has more battle sense than Kale and Kale obviously has more raw power than Caulifla. Vados not mentioning the combination of the raw power from fusion still doesn't take away the fact that Caulifla's raw po...
by Black Hawk
Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42696
Views: 5589654

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

The fact that Dragon Ball Super's Movie 1 is using something that only appeared in the manga does not necessarily means it takes place in Toyotaro's manga continuity. In Movie 14 Vegeta says he will become Super Saiyan God and Goku would have to colaborate; this may suggest that in Toriyama's conti...
by Black Hawk
Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:22 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

(explanation of Completed SSJ Blue and SSJ Blue Kaiōken not factoring into the "SSJ Rosé Black exceeds all prior character barring destroyers and guide angels" statement) This is largely how I personally interpret the statement as well. I always found it quite clear that the fullest exten...
by Black Hawk
Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:04 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: If Toyotaro were to go back and fill in the RoF arc today, what would it be like?
Replies: 9
Views: 1924

Re: If Toyotaro were to go back and fill in the RoF arc today, what would it be like?

I largely agree with everything you stated. To sum up my view, I think the manga adaptation of Revival of F would play out very much like the promotional manga but with a few key differences, most of which you mentioned: The battle between Goku and Freeza would most likely start with SSJ1 Goku vs. T...
by Black Hawk
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:29 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

In the ToP every time Goku stops fighting, even if it's only for a minute, he turns of MSSB. Since it doesn't leak ki, there shouldn't be a problem with turning it off and then turning it back on again. Good point. That's kind of ironic; perfected SSJ Blue would be easier to maintain than regular S...
by Black Hawk
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:17 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

I think that God-Blue probably lasts longer because it's never shown any stamina issues. There seems to be a trend that forms that are weaker take less stamina. That's a good point. I wonder if a Saiyajin could master his perfected SSJ Blue state to the point of being able to maintain its stamina e...
by Black Hawk
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:00 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

MSSB is a significant increase due to the fact that Goku can go all out without losing a drop of stamina. God-Blue is good at maximizing the power of Blue, but it's more of a prototype of the MSSB form rather than an alternative. With that in mind, there's something I'm now curious about. Which wou...
by Black Hawk
Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:46 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

I don't think the leak puts him far below full strength, but he simply cannot go all out all the time, which is why it's inferior to MSSB. I think God-Blue is to Frieza's final form as MSSB is to Frieza's buff 100% form. Do you think it would be accurate to say that SSJ Red/SSJ Blue switching and P...
by Black Hawk
Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:31 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

Vegeta says that Goku is stronger. Also, Ki leaking is a continuous process. It's not like if you use Ki for less than a second than it doesn't count. If you use Ki for half a second, then it uses half as much Ki than if you used it for a full second. Also, if you use 100% of your Ki at once, it do...
by Black Hawk
Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

Goku said, "I'll release everything I've got in one shot." After that you can see his aura dissipate. When Vegeta switches to Blue, it's stated that he's, "storing the power of Blue." It doesn't make sense for him to store Blue while releasing it all. Vegeta also says that Goku ...
by Black Hawk
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

God-Blue Vegeta is not equal to MSSB Goku. God-Blue Vegeta releases a lot of power when he switches, but not 100%. I liken MSSB Goku's power to his kamehameha at the end of the u6 arc, except he is like that continuously. May I know what leads you to believe Vegeta doesn't release 100% of SSJ Blue'...
by Black Hawk
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.
Replies: 48
Views: 9300

Re: DBS Manga Explained: Goku Black's Transformations.

I agree with a lot that's been stated by various members in this thread, so I thought I'd add my interpretation. Up until yesterday, I'd believed Rosé and Blue were the same transformation, just with different souls, but Bergamo has successfully converted me, and I no longer believe that to quite be...
by Black Hawk
Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42696
Views: 5589654

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Honestly my favorite chapter in the entire Super manga thus far. Here are my predictions for the remainder of the manga. CHAPTER 39 Three major battles: Turtle Hermit vs. Casserole, No. 17 vs. Dispo, and Gohan vs. Kafla -Turtle Hermit defeats and eliminates Casserole via the Evil Containment Wave, b...
by Black Hawk
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:53 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age
Replies: 2738
Views: 466550

Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Malik_DBNA wrote:[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
WIP for the new DBNA Vol. 1 cover
Looking forward to welcoming DBNA back in full, Malik!
by Black Hawk
Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14456
Views: 1961214

Re: Official "DB Super 2018 Movie" Discussion Thread

Man.. I really hope not.. I mean remember False Super Saiyan? We didn't see that used ever again so maybe we won't see Kaioken and SSGSS Evolution :lol: right? Right!? :( Well.. Kaioken has been such a huge hit with db fans so I guess they will most likely use it, but I really hope this chain of od...
by Black Hawk
Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:13 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: In you opinion how strong is Arale canonically?
Replies: 21
Views: 6817

Re: In you opinion how strong is Arale canonically?

Going solely by her appearance early on in the Dragon Ball manga, in which she defeated Blue with a single strike, I'd say she was somewhere in the neighborhood of 200. However, I'm more inclined to believe that her battle power would be listed as X or as ? or something of that nature, with her powe...