Kanzenshuu

I don't think anyone has mentioned Black yet so I'll do it. Nozawa slays as Goku Black, it's so eerie and ominous to hear an old woman voice coming out of Black, who is a genocidal God. It subverts expectations completely (because you'd expect a deep and imposing voice for such a villain), but in a ...

They call GT filler because Dragon Ball content moving forward ignores GT completely (outside of crossover side videogames like Heroes and Xenoverse), and so they are basically telling a new viewer that nothing in that series will be taken into consideration in the upcoming Super content (including ...

It also doesn't explain how Jiren got that strong all on his own, we still have to accept that he is that strong. I don’t think comparing Jiren and Zamasu is adequate because they are different characters with different motivations and backstories. Then comparing Future Zamasu with Present Zamasu i...

I am not interpreting the story; I am reporting what happened. By denying that Zamasu clashed with and held his own against a Bloodlust SSB Goku, you are denying the Canon story presented to us. None is denying that scene happened. Some people here said that all Zamasu did was tank some attacks tha...

No.

While both Gods, I'd wager there's a difference between Zamasu, a natural-borne Kai (so a God by nature), and Beerus, a former-mortal-turned-Deity (so NOT a God by nature).

Assuming that either of them would replace Beerus as Destroyer God naturally, so the same rules would apply.

So in other words, I would put him on the general range of GoD Toppo, SS2 Kefla and Anilaza (all from the anime), his position there being up to debate. Anilaza can maybe stand a chance against Halo Fused Zamasu but he gets destroyed by Corrupted Zamasu. SSB Vegito > Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, 17, and G...

Black and Zamasu > Caulifla and Kale [the two girls dream of having the feats against SSB Goku that Future Zamasu had, they stood no chance vs. SSG Goku] So by simple logic Fused Zamasu > Kefla at the bare minimum . There is also a rule introduced in the ToP arc that a fused being's strength is also...

What I am seeing in this thread is intellectual dishonesty at its finest, literally denying what Canon shows us. None is obligated to interpret the story the same as you. Using the “canon” word in your claims doesn’t give you authority to say other opinions are “intelectual dishonest”. It just make...

What I am seeing in this thread is intellectual dishonesty at its finest, literally denying what Canon shows us. Future Zamasu's accomplishments against SSB Goku go far beyond "tanking a blast" or "surviving an attack". I gave clear, Canonical, undeniable, visual proof (gifs and ...

Then you concede to my point. My point being: SSB Goku > Future Zamasu > SS2 Goku > Present Zamasu Which would make Future Zamasu stronger than SS2 and able to force Goku to go SSB, which is indeed what happened on-screen every time they fought :think: I suppose Future Zamasu can be stronger than S...

For someone who appeared only in 8 episodes and fought only in 5 of those episodes (Yes I counted all of them), Future Zamasu has very good feats and statements, easily one of the most underrated characters in Super. Not only does his debut fight involves him putting SSB Goku on the run, and most of...

This is true. It makes me wonder if going Super Saiyan for Goku Black in the anime doesn't result in a drastic boost given how strong Base Goku Black already was. He was definitely stronger than Super Saiyan God and yet SSJR Goku Black isn't drastically stronger than SSJB Goku initially. What muddi...

Wait. Do you really thought I meant Z SS3 Goku when I argued SS3 Goku > Initial base Black > Zamasu? :lol: Zamasu is SS2 tier, CURRENT SS2 tier. The same tier that is over 100 times stronger than SS3 Gotenks. Then you concede to my point. My point being: SSB Goku > Future Zamasu > SS2 Goku > Presen...

Which means that "SS3 Goku" in Super is way stronger than "SS3 Goku" in DBZ who fought Fat and Kid Buu, thanks to God power. Wait. Do you really thought I meant Z SS3 Goku when I argued SS3 Goku > Initial base Black > Zamasu? :lol: Zamasu is SS2 tier, CURRENT SS2 tier. The same ...

I never said Zamasu is stronger than initial Black. The thing is, initial base Black is weaker than SS3 tier so Future Zamasu can't be SS3 tier. It's that simple. Because the crux of this argument is my reporting Goku's statement verbatim from BoG about the God Base plot point: https://static.wikia...

You don't seem to understand. Initial base Black is severely weaker than the one from episode 56. Even before getting his big zenkai after fighting SS2 Goku, he also grew stronger during the whole year he tormented Trunks. Before all those power ups, he was still stronger than Zamasu and since by e...

You don't seem to understand. Initial base Black is severely weaker than the one from episode 56. Even before getting his big zenkai after fighting SS2 Goku, he also grew stronger during the whole year he tormented Trunks. Before all those power ups, he was still stronger than Zamasu and since by e...

Zamasu doesn't need to be god level to kill Trunks. Immortality will allow him to do that eventually. Unless you mean that Garlic Jr. can also kill Ikari Trunks, then No, Immortality alone doesn't give him any power boost of any kind. If you mean that he would kill him by "outlasting" him...

The ultimate proof that Future Zamasu is SSB level is that Goku Black, who fought Ikari Trunks, sent Future Zamasu to torture and kill Ikari Trunks, Bulma, and Mai as part of his scheme to get stronger. Which means that Black was confident Future Zamasu had the strength to kill Ikari Trunks. If this...

Cherry-picking feats at its finest. They are merely the facts. You can count the amount of times Future Zamasu actually lands a genuine hit on anyone on one hand. Trunks giving pressure to Goku Black means nothing. He obviously isn't God level. Thanks for conceding by acknowledging the times Zamasu...