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by LowRyder2005
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:47 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Ranking the original 10 arcs.
Replies: 89
Views: 13082

Re: Ranking the original 10 arcs.

The Boo arc can't be judged by traditional standards of good genre storytelling. (Though it is surprisingly thorough about capping off every remaining character arc, because Toriyama is a natural storyteller in his way.) The character interactions are all amazingly enjoyable, the scale makes for a ...
by LowRyder2005
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I just went back and had a look at the Resurrection F saga and the narrator says "In order to surpass , the powered up Frieza, Goku transforms into a form that exceeded the Super Saiyan God" Which would make it seem that Base Goku was not as strong as Final Form Frieza if he needed to tra...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Freeza one-shots Jimeze when base Gohan can barely keep up with him and Final Form Freeza is confirmed to be stronger than Final Form Frost. I'm satisfied.
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:51 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

All this talk just to make you get the idea it goes both ways: a conjecture is also thinking there cannot be another change. Besides, Gogeta being switched for Vegito actually does make things different -- possibly appreciably so, in theory. Vegeta doesn't know the dance; which is also the main rea...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:32 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

... And how does that equate "this means he could not change anything else"? It's been twelve posts and you still are not realizing it doesn't make sense to talk about some foreclosure effect just because he planned to use Gogeta and deciding to switch him for Vegito? Again I'm sticking w...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:16 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

... Which is "Toriyama planned to use Gogeta"? Because that's literally all you know and all you've been told. You personally believe it means Toriyama "wanted to switch Vegito for Gogeta, that he realized this a handful of chapters before (or, well, something like this?) and didn't ...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:07 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

Trying to take my argument to the extreme much? The possibility he wanted to have Superman is obviously very close to zero, the possibility he changed more stuff along the way isn't that close to zero. He also wanted to have Gohan as the hero at some point, if this soul-searching about Gogeta had h...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:58 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

Except for the fact that I'm literally not the one making claims, you guys are. You claimed "I planned to use Gogeta at some point" can only mean "so the story would be the same if not for the fact he swapped Gogeta for Vegito". I'm saying "no, it simply means he planned to...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

You mean "why should we assume we shouldn't jump to conclusions"? All Toriyama says is "I wanted to use Gogeta at some point, but since Toei wanted/had arranged to use it themselves I couldn't". Like I said maybe three or four times now, Fusion Reborn is released the week Kid Bu...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:31 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

And, like I said above, you have absolutely no idea at what point Toriyama or how Toriyama wanted to use Gogeta, if it was before he had even conceived Buuhan at all. There's like a whole year in-between Bio-Broly and the release of Fusion Reborn. Even assuming the plot for Fusion Reborn was entire...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:50 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: 3rd place matches in the tournaments
Replies: 15
Views: 2110

Re: 3rd place matches in the tournaments

I think they're all fairly easy wins for Nam, Jackie Chun and Kami. - Nam keeps up with a tailed Goku, while Krillin (now at low superhuman levels himself) should be appreciably inferior to both the non-tailed Goku and a non-serious Jackie Chun. - If I remember correctly, Tien implies that no one h...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:56 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: 3rd place matches in the tournaments
Replies: 15
Views: 2110

Re: 3rd place matches in the tournaments

I think they're all fairly easy wins for Nam, Jackie Chun and Kami. - Nam kinda keeps up with a tailed Goku, while Krillin (now at low superhuman levels himself) should be appreciably inferior to both the non-tailed Goku and a non-serious Jackie Chun. - If I remember correctly, Tien implies that no ...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:03 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

vegeth without any transformation is stronger than ssj 3 Goku in base, while gogeta is tenth of times stronger than vegeta. i said all i could and i hope that i've been useful for you You weren't. You said Gogeta is "tenth times stronger than Vegeta". I'd like to know the source of this i...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:21 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

Boos statement in the story has nothing to do with gogeta or comparing the dance to potara to begin with. Boo states that fusion can't beat him and he's proven wrong when Vegito is formed. That's the significance of that interaction in the story. Not seeing how gogeta even factors into anything tha...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:18 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong was Gohan in RoF?
Replies: 21
Views: 5282

Re: How strong was Gohan in RoF?

We don't know exactly, but what we do know with near certainty is that neither Tagoma nor Gohan should really be stronger than Ultimate Gohan; not even the one seen in the Buu arc, who's weaker than the current. The base Gohan who basically went half-way through Piccolo's training is later described...
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:33 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: How powerful was Base Black (first appearance in main timeline)
Replies: 18
Views: 2145

Re: How powerful was Base Black (first appearance in main timeline)

mamoru wrote:A bit stronger than Suppressed SSJ3 Goku, weaker than SSJ2 Goku.
The topic was almost a year old, and I doubt the opener was searching for more answers. Try not to necropost, it's frowned upon here.
by LowRyder2005
Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:19 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37470
Views: 3405205

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Now with all the spoilers out there about Jiren. Which claim he has a power greater then a Kaioken x 20 goku. So I wonder is he strong enough to defeat some higher tier characters? Jiren vs M. Zamasu (no immortality)? Jiren vs Vegito Blue ( black arc)? Jiren vs Beerus? Dunno. I mean, but the whole ...
by LowRyder2005
Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:02 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

He never felt Vegeta's Ki so he couldn't link it. He only saw Vegeta as Fat Buu and it was made abundantly clear Fat Buu couldn't sense Ki. Oh, that's right. Point taken then. I guess I have to retract my "it's only your assumption" remark to the "he couldn't know it was Vegeta's ki&...
by LowRyder2005
Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:28 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

He didn't recognize Vegeta's Ki. He just knew it was a great Ki. Even if he was calculating the fact the fusion could turn SSJ3 after the union, he would only factor the powers of Base Vegeta+SSJ3 Goku which would probably even lower than a fusion of SSJ Goku+SSJ Vegeta. Honestly Buu's opinion is p...
by LowRyder2005
Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:16 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegetto vs Gogeta
Replies: 86
Views: 10760

Re: Vegetto vs Gogeta

It would be impossible for a fusion of Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan to be weaker than that Buu who was not even twice as strong as Gohan. He didn't recognize Vegeta's Ki. He just knew it was a great Ki. Even if he was calculating the fact the fusion could turn SSJ3 after the union, he wou...