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He kept up with semi-powered up Gohan. I have Gohan at full power around Buuhan level. And around Ssj2 level at half power. So Jimze stops at Botomo. That was base Gohan, who shouldn't even be ssj level. Yeah. Jimeze probably stops at/right after Super Saiyan Goku on Namek; ain't seeing him take do...

- Vegito (or Goku/Vegeta if unallowed)
- Gotenks (or Goku/Vegeta if unallowed)
- Ultimate Gohan
- Super Saiyan Rage Trunks
- Piccolo
- Freeza
- #17
- #18
- Mr. Buu
- Pikkon

Assuming Jiren isn't that much stronger than Blue Kaiokenx20, more around x30 or x40, how would he stack up against Merged Zamasu and Vegetto Blue? Anime and manga (though in the manga, he's probably just going to be stronger than Mastered Blue because Blue Kaioken isn't a thing there). Well, basic...

You're right, as yet, there is no indication that Goku's power is anywhere near Beerus' level. However, clearly, Jiren is likewise out of Goku's league. Goku powers up to 10 times stronger than any level he ever fought Beerus with and uses his most powerful attack against Jiren and we can assume th...

Some random considerations from the first exhaustive PL list I've compiled in basically years; in hindsight, had I read this two weeks ago, I wouldn't have thought it could exactly be possible to satisfy... well, basically every single one of these conditions. I absolutely love the fact that each of...

That was what I was assuming above, haha. Maybe I wasn't too clear. But you said Grey Boo has obviously to be below Fat Boo. I wrote it was not the Fat Buu fought by Goku, or that the Fat Buu fought by Goku was not at his 100%. I basically meant Evil Buu could have been the 60% of Super Buu; Super ...

Do you think Grey Boo is weaker than the fat Boo who battled SSJ3 Goku? Vegeta's words do seem to imply to me a "if you revert to the fatso or skinny, then is game over for you". But he could just be trying to get Super Buu weaker because neither he or Goku can beat himit's a nothing to l...

Well, given that Vegeta is very reluctant to try Fusion, it seems that his talk right before detaching Good Buu may imply they could/should beat the Grey Buu unfused -- or at least that Goku could, I guess, I don't see Good Buu weaker than SS2 Vegeta. This would further reinforce the relatively sim...

Well, given that Vegeta is very reluctant to try Fusion, it seems that his talk right before detaching Good Buu may imply they could/should beat the Grey Buu unfused -- or at least that Goku could, I guess, I don't see Good Buu weaker than SS2 Vegeta. This would further reinforce the relatively simp...

That's fair. To be honest, I'm sure power levels in general have been toned down in terms of how ludicrous they got. No obvious statements to such, but it probably is the direction being taken. Of course, the more likely explanation, for me, anyways, is that they were never being factored in the fi...

What we don't know is if either Saiyan truly needed to use SS during their fights with the dastardly space extortionist. Currently, we have base Vegeta sucker-punching Frost and preparing to fight him without any clear intention of transforming, only turning into a SS to fight evenly with Magetta l...

Freeza > Piccolo is kind of impossible considering Piccolo was confident even before he knew the Androids can absorb energy, and him thinking 20 was one of the expected Androids pretty much confirms it. Yeah, I'm of the same opinion. The only possibility I can see is Piccolo getting confused becaus...

The only way to navigate around the statement, in order to keep Piccolo below Freeza, is questioning the Goku that was seen with Trunks, but even there you only find pretty substantial evidence he's still above Freeza (Trunks complimenting him because he survived the sword that "killed Freeza&...

If he knows his full power why he's not wondering why he's weaker like Piccolo did? The fact he's completely astonished before this Goku heavily implies he's stronger than everything he has ever seen. Well, regarding Tien, it's even more clear-cut than that... in that it's not "implied", ...

In the manga Vegeta never sensed namek ssj Goku. And he didn't really fight Trunks and he said Trunks wasn't serious either. I'm going to assume Tien made those statements because it was the first time he saw a ssj truly in action, and I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama forgot that Tien saw ssj al...

1. Tien - who is clearly shown sensing Goku's SS power when he transforms alongside Trunks - thinks there's nothing wrong with the Android Arc SS Goku and remarks how otherwordly he is compared to all of them. Gohan and Piccolo are the only one who realize he is not fighting at maximum power (Picco...

1. Basil went from losing to Fat Buu to fighting well against SSJ Goku who is likely more powerful than BOG saga SSG Goku. He got much much stronger, as little sense as it makes. What? Basil is never shown fighting "well" against SS Goku; he can't even k.o. base Goku when three on one, an...

It's not intuitive at all, but Piccolo should have surpassed Freeza at that point. The manga really does spell it out for you if you pay attention. It's just that it's usually so hard to swallow, muddy and lost between bits of dialogues and shenanigans that most people intuitively think the Androids...

Androids 17 and 18 (Super era, after training for tournament of power) vs Goku Black. Do the androids stand a chance? Black's strenght fluctuates a lot. I have the #17 who fought Goku above Black up until his power-up from fighting Goku; after that he'd find himself outmatched unless he had lots an...

A JoJo-esque approach. - Muten Roshi = dies valiantly against Piccolo Daimao. - Yamcha and Chiaotzu = die against Nappa. - Krillin = dies against Freeza. - Goku = survives against Raditz and just takes a stroll to some other, unseen, strange plane of reality to train with the North Kaio on Kami's s...