Kanzenshuu

You misunderstand. I don't hate Super because it "replaced" GT (which it didn't, it's its own thing)... GT has NOTHING whatsoever to do with my hatred of Super. I have NOTHING against a separate continuity that's incompatible with GT. That's FINE. That kind of thing happens AAAALL THE TIM...

I also don't see why some people need blood and gore to enjoy a Dragon Ball series.

How do some people still think Goku surpassed Beerus? Guys, Goku surpassing Beerus is literally the equivalent of Naruto becoming Hokage. The entirety of Super since 2013 is tailored around Goku's chase to surpass Beerus' level. Beerus didn't get surpassed midway through the story LMFAO. Goku vs. Be...

What's more, I DO NOT remember seeing the whole "canon" discussion ANYWHERE NEEEEEEAAAAR as insanely fucking much pre-Super. I definitely saw it on RARE occasion even back to the early-mid 2000s due to the differences between the manga and anime and the weirdness of the DB and Z movies, b...

The Tournament of Power is just that. A Tournament between the strongest mortals to see whose Power is greater. A Simple and straightforward format for an arc, a basic one even, but an entertaining one. Nowhere is it written in the rules that it needs to be a battle royal, or even involve 8 universe...

I cannot see any other feasible way to reevaluate the Multiverse beyond Tournament of Power Round. 2. The Tournament of Power ended in 2018. It is now 2024. 6 years are enough of a "cool-off" period between tournaments (if there even needs to be a "cool-off" period in the first p...

I know Super and the recent movies haven't been everyone's cup of tea, but as Dragon Ball had already ended in Japan years before it premiered in my home country I'm glad the series had a revival. It meant that for the first time, fans from around the world were able to collectively experience new ...

I guess thats just not terribly interesting to me without a meaningful narrative to back it up but I'm one of those weirdos who read the original DB for the character arcs and the story. The best fights are ones that have significant meaning for the characters imo The Multiverse reveal served its p...

And I'm pretty sure Namek, which is consistently listed as a high point in the franchise, can be considered an adventure arc. Which part of the Namek saga is consistently listed as a "high point in the franchise"? The initial part where they're looking for the Dragon Balls, or the massive...

The 2010s represent such a massive shake-up for the Dragon Ball franchise and world. The reveal of the Gods of Destruction and Angels? Massive shake-up. The reveal that there are 11 other Universes, with even greater Gods and mortals? Massive shake-up. The reveal that there is a Deity even greater ...

Looking back on it, you can see that Zamasu was a character clearly created by Toriyama and appreciate how Toriyama's influence permeated Super: - A Supreme Kai who hates mortals and thinks that they are inferior... and yet he is obsessed with the body of a mortal and needs the body of a mortal to a...

and doing something purely out of spite just so your name won't be stained by the incompetence of those involved (Super) Yet those involved were literally following Toriyama's bullet points. U6/Zamasu/ToP arc, that is all Toriyama (except for SSB Vegito who was added by Toyotaro for fan-service). E...

These are literally storylines that Toriyama worked on. Why does it matter if they weren't stories that he ORIGINALLY wanted to tell? (but he still ended up telling them in the end) and doing something purely out of spite just so your name won't be stained by the incompetence of those involved (Sup...

How can I consider any of that to be some kind of "artistic vision" when it's clear Toriyama never wanted to do any of these things in the first place? Because, even though he originally "did not want to do any of those things", he still ultimately contributed to those things. H...

The 2010s represent such a massive shake-up for the Dragon Ball franchise and world. The reveal of the Gods of Destruction and Angels? Massive shake-up. The reveal that there are 11 other Universes, with even greater Gods and mortals? Massive shake-up. The reveal that there is a Deity even greater t...

Does Bulma's birthday party take place at Capsule Corporation or on a boat? Is your definition of canon for this material Toriyama's broad ideas and not the small details? The original run of the manga has both, the revival material had the former but lacks the latter. This is literally what I am t...

There essentially is canon in every way except for it being officially declared. At best you can say "the original manga as published in weekly Shonen Jump from 1984 to 1995", but after that it's really not so clear cut. "Toriyama's Involvement" doesn't cut it because we don't k...

From now on, I'll see every new Super content as I do Heroes and GT: a side stuff, largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

If it doesn't have the Toriyama stamp of approval like the Movies, U6/FT/TOP arcs, and Daima, it's not part of the story he wanted to tell.

I'd be fine with Super just ending. Make a final arc where Goku kills Black Frieza and finally beats 100% Beerus in a rematch, then wrap it all up with an EOZ mini-arc and call it a day. Goku's story and Super are nearing the climax, the ever-moving goalpost that is Beerus will have to be surpassed...

I say: Wrap up Super and move on to a new series (Daima and whatever Toyotaro will cook, Post-EoZ possibly). I wonder what a new Dragon Ball series would even be like? We have so many examples of what happens to Dragon Ball when Toriyama is not involved in the development. Many of the Z movies, fil...