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by dragonball0900
Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:36 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837349

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Miracles wrote: Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:12 pm Remember, TOEI was getting complaints how 17 was able to rival Goku Blue. They came out and said Toriyama himself gave it his approval.
What's the source of this? And why I never heard about this from anywhere or anyone before?
by dragonball0900
Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:52 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837349

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

17 couldn't even beat Dyspo right away, it clearly took him a while off screen. Meanwhile, Kefla easily clowned Dyspo rapidly (with the help of his teammates, mind you), and this same Kefla was equal to Gohan, who was still not on CSSB Goku or Vegeta's level. We also have CSSB Vegeta one shotting Dy...
by dragonball0900
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837349

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The best argument I can think of for putting 17 higher is the fact that he easily defeated 73 with Moro's copied powers (assuming he also got the same strength as Moro). This Moro clearly cannot be post Time Skip Moro, as at this point he was UI Omen level and far above any other Earth warrior. So ...
by dragonball0900
Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837349

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Android 17 is certainly not CSSB tier in any way. Anime, yes. Manga, certainly not. Android 17 couldn't beat Dyspo right away, their fight took a while off screen. Meanwhile, Kefla easily clowned Dyspo (with Kahseral's help), who couldn't even put up a fight as Kefla calmly walked towards him. This ...
by dragonball0900
Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:17 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37470
Views: 3405242

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Android 17 and Android 18 (ToP) vs Saonel and Pirina Slim Good Buu vs Base Broly I can see this fight with the androids initially winning against Saonel and Pirina. Then, they assimilate with the hundreds of namekians they had absorbed, and begin stomping them. Then 17 decides to get serious and fi...
by dragonball0900
Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:39 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1589516

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

However, for this, I think I disagree. Tenshinhan's description of Goku's old power as 'perfect' seems to indicate to me that this level is still beyond him, so I read his contradistinction with Goku's speed to mean that Tenshinhan has specifically trained his speed to exploit what he (wrongly) per...
by dragonball0900
Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:18 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1589516

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Power Levels: A Modest Proposal This is really good. I still haven't read it all yet, but I'll definitely do it when I have the chance. I managed to read your take on the Budokais, mostly the 23rd. One thing I do believe is that Yamcha is definitely stronger than Cyborg Tao. The reason being that T...
by dragonball0900
Wed May 12, 2021 1:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Was 73 really as strong as Young Moro on Namek when he copied his abilities?
Replies: 3
Views: 2259

Was 73 really as strong as Young Moro on Namek when he copied his abilities?

As you might already know, I'm talking about 73 with Moro's draining ability. There are some people that say he did, and it also made me consider that he was indeed as strong as Young Moro on Namek, mostly due to the fact that 73 was stated to copy every bit of the user's power. We know that Young M...
by dragonball0900
Fri May 07, 2021 2:30 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1589516

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Do you guys think Yamcha and Kuririn at the 23rd Budokai have surpassed Goku and Tenshinhan from the 22nd Tournament? Yes, they did. Both were able to see Tien (speed suppressed) and Weighted Goku's movements while no one else could. These movements were stated to be as fast as Kid Goku vs King Pic...
by dragonball0900
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Have the following fighters surpassed SSG Goku from BoG?
Replies: 65
Views: 19465

Re: Have the following fighters surpassed SSG Goku from BoG?

This isn't always the case. They don't always state when current characters have surpassed outdated levels of power. SSG is irrelevant vs. Moro and Saganbo. Piccolo being SSJG tier or greater doesn't impact anything. It's as others have already noted -- the level itself is so inconsequential now th...
by dragonball0900
Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Could Current Base Goku & Vegeta Survive The Z Gauntlet?
Replies: 13
Views: 2979

Re: Could Current Base Goku & Vegeta Survive The Z Gauntlet?

The base saiyans (in the manga) are a mystery to place. However, there's one point in which Base Goku was able to outperform Kaioshin during the GoD Exhibition Match before the ToP, which makes it seem as if ToP Base Saiyans are above Kaioshin, who must be around Cell Games MSSJ Goku level. ToP Base...
by dragonball0900
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

Also combo and synchronicity doesn’t necessarily equate to incredible raw power. In the anime we had a tag team up of Piccolo and Tien. Does that mean Tien = Piccolo? (Admittedly Tien just was a punching bag there) I guess you are referring to BoG here. That only happened in the anime, and not in t...
by dragonball0900
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Have the following fighters surpassed SSG Goku from BoG?
Replies: 65
Views: 19465

Re: Have the following fighters surpassed SSG Goku from BoG?

I'll be using the manga only in this, since the anime is more confusing and has the power scaling all over the place. Plus there's no anime Moro Saga yet. RoF: Final Form Frieza - Based on the manga, most likely not. But it's still unknown since RoF is so confusing. Base Vegeta - Same as Frieza. U6 ...
by dragonball0900
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

I also forgot to mention (and this is after checking the manga and strength checkers from it as well on the web). When other characters like Boo or Android 17 had their power ups, they never made a constant big deal about them reaching god tier or something like that. At least not in the manga. They...
by dragonball0900
Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:52 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

SSG level is a big deal for the main cast. That's why we have Goku being impressed by the power of 17 and Boo, for example. Obviously Goku and Vegeta are already far above that, but except for the antagonists this is not that normal. Even the Gods of Destruction mentioned that the fight between SSG...
by dragonball0900
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

I can see Piccolo being above SSJ2 and maybe even SSJ3 Goku, because in fact this is a level of power that is irrelevant in the face of the big bad guys so it makes sense that this power up goes unnoticed (if we are arguing about the reason for the lack of more precise / specific statements about h...
by dragonball0900
Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

Why go out of the way to specify that his power went away with the memories though, if that's to be the new norm? I'm checking the manga right now. When did they specify that his power went away? The only thing said after Dai Kai returned to Boo at the end of the saga was a comment of Mr. Popo sayi...
by dragonball0900
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

In regards to Boo. Obviously they wouldn't let him still have Dai Kai's memories forever. They needed to bring the usual Mr. Boo back. The plot needed that to happen one way or another. It doesn't mean it has to be an example for other characters not being able to reach god tier. Filling the story w...
by dragonball0900
Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

Quite the opposite, in RoF, U6 and ToP they reinforce what was established in DB, that Piccolo has been left behind. N17 and Freeza are explicitly established to have important grows because they have huge initial power and had never trained; again, the opposite of Piccolo, whose initial power was ...
by dragonball0900
Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: is piccolo god level in the manga?
Replies: 154
Views: 23555

Re: is piccolo god level in the manga?

You'd hardly be able to figure out anyone's strength with that sort of thinking and it's just not how Dragon Ball works. In U6 alone Piccolo kept shattering everyone's expectations of himself which was a theme clearly shown in the text and via his performance in both mediums. We found out fifteen y...