In the manga Sign was called an unstable stamina drain. So it not consuming too much energy would be a retcon.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:40 am I think that, more simply, UI-Sign is "enough" while not consuming too much energy like UI-Complete
I also think Vegeta might drop UE by the end of this or next arc at latest
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- Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:58 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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- Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:17 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread
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Giving Moro a Senzu wasn’t selfish. It was just stupid since the same result would have been achieved without it. I don't think you're getting it. Goku's dialogue is clear that he did that to demonstrate the gap between them, as a way of convincing Moro only training would help him overcome that ga...
- Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:35 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
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But that’s the heart of the problem, the principal that UI is based on doesn’t work like that. You can enjoy walking and running and still have a sense of zen. Heck, my teacher talked about this when I took martial arts class and biting was part of it funny enough. Namely my teacher talked about re...
- Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:42 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread
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To be sure, Boo arc Goku is my favorite Goku. He's a selfish, inconsiderate asshole from start to finish in that story, and his myriad flaws make him interesting and fun. It's also the reason Goku tossing Moro a senzu is one of my favorite parts of the previous arc. At first he tries to be heroic l...
- Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:39 pm
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That and the entire principal of that UI is based on isn’t about emotional investment so much as going with the flow and not letting thought interrupt your actions. The best comparison I can think of is how much investment do you put into walking and do you think about walking or you just do it. Th...
- Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:10 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
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I don't think that's true at all. The Tournament of Power was very clear about Goku needing to keep all emotions/distractions in check to even go toe-to-toe with Jiren, and the next arc was even clearer about that by framing Sign as a categorical failure. I'll have to read the chapter in full to se...
- Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:59 am
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Goku appears to be using Sign? Goku: "With this, I can use my emotions like normal." Goku finding a way to maintain his emotions in UI has been telegraphed as a necessary character step for him more or less since the ToP. (Not to mention a boon to readers, as a stoic-by-requirement Goku i...
- Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:51 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
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The U3 Fusion robot from the TOP was already awesome. Still haven't seen/read Super so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone else becomes a kaiju-sized giant in that fight. I don't think Cell was boring. He wasn't as interesting as Frieza though. You're right about that. For me, Cell is...
- Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:37 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
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I just don't know why Cell Max had to be portrayed the way he was. They should have made him the same human sized and gave him an intelligence. Of all the characters they've brought back and powered up like Frieza, Trunks and Android 17, Cell was so easy to do. All they had to do was have it so tha...
- Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:56 am
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Piccolo doesn't necessarily know Goku can use UI at will. And let's be honest, they are using Blue as frame of reference But he does know that Goku and Vegeta can turn Ultra Instinct Sign and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution at will. It's sort of an assumption to say he's just counting Blue. If we used ...
- Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:54 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
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It was also infamously rush.mute_proxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:31 amThe anime was announced 10 days after RoF's premiereSuper Murjin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:33 pm How long after Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection of F was the Dragon Ball Super anime announced?
Be nice if the return of the anime could be announced in the same manner after Super Hero.
- Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:49 am
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That is Whis' judgement after confirming what he saw. He explicitly builds upon Kaioshin's as well as the other spectators' statements by confirming that Jiren was far from full power despite effortlessly pushing Goku's Genkidama back. It was upon that realization that Jiren was holding back far mo...
- Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:00 am
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Complete Blue has been called GoD Candidate-class Blue Evo was comparable to GoD Toppo who was stated being not any different from a regular GoD IMHO Jiren's RAW power was still in the "same class"(GoD class) as Blue Evo and KKx20, thus fitting the "not too far of a gap" stated ...
- Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:55 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread
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They will realize that Broly is needed and one shot. Broly can't control his strength , and if he'd transform he would attack the good guys too. If this would have happened in the movie canon and after Super Heroes Gohan would one shot I doubt Gohan is above UI/UE, feels like that form is his equiv...
- Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:51 pm
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Yes and no since we haven't seen anything in U7 that rivals what Gero did outside of whatever 73 is and the concept that the Androids have infinite energy shocks people from other universes. We also never seen anything like the capsules. The planet itself is so irrelevant that it doesn't even appea...
- Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:18 pm
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Earth is a poor, backwater planet regardless of the timeline, and in the Present timeline, Earth was recently invaded by Moro and his forces. I don't think resources are a problem. As mentioned above, Future Bulma was able to create a complex time machine and even that weird blue time fuel, despite...
- Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:05 pm
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Or rather, you know, Future 17 and 18 killed them all years before they could be a thing. Or that the future world doesn't have the resources to build the Gammas and Cell Max. Tbf, they had the resources to make a time machine, something that Present Bulma can't do to the point that she couldn't re...
- Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:28 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
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That would make sense. His battle power exceeds that of a God of Destruction and his skill in combat further exaggerates that gap. That would explain his ability to adapt to UI Goku's movements. Complete Blue has been called GoD Candidate-class Blue Evo was comparable to GoD Toppo who was stated be...
- Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:15 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
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From Herms: Another Q&A with DBS:SH executive producer Akio Iyoku: Q: Tell us about making Gohan and Piccolo the leads for this film. A: Actually, Toriyama-sensei’s original idea was for just Piccolo to be the lead, but I pushed for Gohan, so the two of them ended up as co-stars. https://twitter...
- Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:54 am
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That was a mistranslation the official viz volume translation states his power exceeds Belmod’s or something of that nature. I believe Cipher mentioned that it was referencing power in a traditional sense rather than combat skill and technique but wasn't sure if my judgement was correct here. I thi...