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I agree, IMO they ruined the tension by having Android 17 and Freeza on the ring and Goku being able to fight again. You're forgetting that 17, Golden Frieza and especially base Goku are far below suppressed Jiren in power. Jiren can also still move around with no problems after that beating he got...

Unless he explicitly states so, its not your place to assume whats going on in Toriyama head, that's just you projecting your biases. So you think Toriyama keeps Buu out of every arc because he hates him or something? The pretty clear reason is because he is too strong. He would of solod all of Fri...

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kn83 wrote:There is no Dragonball without Toriyama, GT proved that lol.

GT "proves" nothing. That is an absolutely unscientific claim.

The point was that there's no way you could make good official DB product without Toriyama's direct input.

That's your head canon bro. Vegeta outright said to himself that him and Cabba are even in base. And this is post-RoF, post-ROSAT training base Vegeta. There is no way you can downplay Cabba (and by extension, Caulifla and Kale) Base Goku and Vegeta's strength seem to fluctuate. I'm pretty sure Veg...

1. Kid Buu was not even trying to blow up more than a planet at a time during that scene. In fact, no one ever said or even implied that Kid Buu was going all out during that time. It is only when Goku goes SSJ3 is when Kid Buu starts to go all out. What reason would he possibly have to hold back? ...

There is no Dragonball without Toriyama, GT proved that lol.

Bebi Hatchiyack wrote:What if the movie were canon in the main continuity

Movies 8 and 9 are the only ones that could logically fit in the main timeline. Movie 7 could be in the unseen timeline.

3. Kale obliterates Buuhan easily. Base Cabba solos Z, so Kale would be a slaughter. That's abusing Super's messed up power scaling. There is no way Toriyama intended for base Cabba to be able to solo Z. There is probably a reason Buu was left out of the U6 tournament, he would of beat everyone (be...

if these sort of feats were consistent and reliable enough to scale from then Kid Buu was trying to strictly destroy as much as he could at a time. (AKA he wasnt holding back) and the best he could do is destroy one planet at a time using instant transmission before he made his way to goku on kai's...

All I am trying to say is using "feats" as far as destruction of planets or solar bodies as a method of scaling characters in the series is silly to me based on how inconsistent they have been and by the fact that it is clearly laid out to us how each character compares to another. Scalin...

1. Ssjblue kkx20 Goku, SsjBE Vegeta, GoD Toppo, Hit, Ssj2 Kefla, Golden Frieza, and SsjRose Black vs 100% Jiren? (no rules and Goku can't use UI) 2. SsjRage Trunks (spirit sword) vs GoD Toppo? 3. Buuhan vs M. Ssjberserk Kale? 4. Super Bebi vs Goku Black? (Same Power) 5. Gogeta Blue (ToP, Only ssjbl...

See this is yet another example of why you cant act as though destructive feats are consistent throughout the series and an be used as an accurate way of scaling characters within the series. I mean like you said Vegetto didnt even blow up a city when they were destroying the universe before. That'...

Using what is known in the series an accurate scale can be compiled from events happening within the series that the writers actually put thought into instead of these arbitrary "feats" that arent meant to be used more than just a "wow that was cool" sort of moment. (Like the sc...

See this is yet another example of why you cant act as though destructive feats are consistent throughout the series and an be used as an accurate way of scaling characters within the series. I mean like you said Vegetto didnt even blow up a city when they were destroying the universe before. That'...

Beerus and Champa fighting each other would destroy a universe just by the collateral damage, so you're wrong. There is way too much stuff that proves high-tier and above Super characters are universal. You'd have to be delusional to deny it. 1. SSJG Goku in BoG accidentally causing shockwaves that...

I didnt deny if Goku could destroy planets or if any of these things are feasible. I just dont think that any of this is remotely an accurate way to scale the power of these characters when comparing them to each other. It isnt accurate because none of these astronomy type feats are actually intend...

Dyspo vs Future Zamasu
SSJ2 Cabba and Caulifla vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Anizara vs SSBkkx5 Goku
Base Toppo vs Hit

I have never understood using astronomy to assess the power of these characters. Or just hypothesizing how much any of these characters can destroy despite the fact that other than Zeno none of them have ever destroyed anything like this.(Of course they probably could destroy solar systems, Galaxie...

17 is now equal to Goku, who would have thought.

I have never understood using astronomy to assess the power of these characters. Or just hypothesizing how much any of these characters can destroy despite the fact that other than Zeno none of them have ever destroyed anything like this.(Of course they probably could destroy solar systems, Galaxie...