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i mean, i am a supporter that fusion > UI or at least as strong, I also thought that anyone who took heroes as evidence for the canon was committing a grave mistake (turns out i was right), but heroes did mess up big time here either they should have kept their scaling, that being UI > Fusion in the...

Tell that to Moro. Moro absorbs energy, which raises his own battle power. And lowers the battle power of his foes. So, how exactly the superior battle power of the Saiyans guarantee their win? Moro obviously has a gimmick that makes him better than any battle power related fighter. NLF. put him up...

nice. so we get to see fusions defeat the final villains of their own arc.
wonder if fuu is gonna be the reason for their time lines merging

Zamasu55 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:00 pm So we really have to wait till the end of the month for a 8 minutes episode.

maybe doing their best for the final fight... maybe

seems like having broly be at least on par with beerus wasnt a peak for power progression in super. now we have a god damn angel who is breaking the rules to help goku master UI. the chapter, it was good. gohan wasnt treated badly since he was overcoming 73 before he used the absorption ability. the...

Beerus casually dodged several Gods of Destruction and if Sidra didn’t shield them, he would probably sweep the majority at the same time. I don’t think Jiren can do that. dodge a couple of gods with a shitty UI omen that is below the real deal goku achieved. and the gods started going all out in t...

This question is about the manga, which I will make time to re-read it soon, but I want opinions: Is Manga Jiren stronger than Manga Beerus? does he have any feats to put him above him? they both stomped Perfect Blue Vegeta IIRC, but I don't remember much from the manga, that's why I need to re-vis...

Is Manga Jiren stronger than Manga Beerus? does he have any feats to put him above him? hard to say. Manga Jiren tanked Goku's UI, and Beerus was able to use it for a much shorter time than Goku. I'd say "Yes, but not too much"- basically, they are in the same range. i would agree with th...

the misssion being called big bang mission surely brings back fuu vibes. so maybe fuu will be the big bad after hearts gets defeated. Or Maybe Majin Ozotto as much as i would love that, what would he offer beyond mechikabura, fuu and hearts? and I'm not talking about power level wise, I'm talking a...

the misssion being called big bang mission surely brings back fuu vibes.
so maybe fuu will be the big bad after hearts gets defeated.

Grimlock wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:00 am nonsense can be found anywhere.

and its easier to find when there are many writers interpreting each character. it is bound to happen. its inevitable.

ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:47 pm Interesting, they are using the "Gogeta:UM" name for the SEC
(still uses Stardust Breaker)

I wonder why.

UM stands for what? Universe Mission?

but hearts is just so powerful that Jiren and hit are the same to him Exactly. Same way Base Cumber was so strong SSG Goku and SSBKK Vegito were the same :) pretty much. tho in the arcade version, even ssj cumber couldnt defeat ssb vegito (no kaioken). so it depends on witch iteration you are talki...

if people scream nerfed at jiren, then others are allowed to scream nerfed at vegito blue.
there is no cherry picking.

but hearts is just so powerful that Jiren and hit are the same to him

makes sense that Hearts is this overpowered to the point Jiren isnt cutting it (no one is). it took MUI Goku to beat kamioren, who had an incomplete Universe seed. tho like i said before, Heroes doesnt have consistent power scaling. if Gogeta blue beats hearts, it doesnt mean fusion dance >>>>>>> Po...

But didn't Goku say that even restrained Cumber had strength different than Beerus and Jiren? just stop, all of you. i cant believe we are in a point where people use non canon material to prove in canon scaling, especially a game. take that to the strength discussion section This isn’t about discu...

MUI Goku is much stronger than both Fusions. No it isn’t nothing puts MUI above fusion in canon let alone in the game http://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh/products/9pocket_binder_tc.php http://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh/cardlist/?search=true&free=%E3%82%AA%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A...

How strong would you say GT Super Gogeta would be? Stronger than SS4 Goku? Stronger than Omega Shenron without absorbing the DB? Stronger than Ohzaru Vegeta Baby? How about in Super? how would he fare against DBS characters? IF... the scaling from the broly movie applies to GT gogeta, then GT super...

I just learned that in DBFighterZ, when AGAINST blue Vegito, Jiren says that he is facing an opponent of similar strength to his. Not-Canon yeah, but this further proves personally my point, that MUI and Blue fusion are in the same level. I have SFP/LB Jiren slightly below though. He could mean tha...

you are putting logic into power scalinvg when there is none. UI has never been Objectively beyond fusion, its just that that is how it was made for a certain mission. look at ssj4 xeno vegito, fighting ssj3 cumber despite ssj4 xeno goku losing to ssb goku. like the comments above, there is no set ...