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More cards are revealed. https://www.bandai.co.jp/candy/products/2022/4549660737179000.html Ultimate Piccolo is the strongest here, not counting LSSJ Broly and SSB Gogeta. He is also placed as stronger than RoF SSB tier at least, with Ultimate Gohan being placed around that tier. Base Gohan is place...

Having now already seen each set of cards, this is what it looks like they place each character between SSG tier and SSB tier in order of strength: SSB Goku (ToP) - 8,300 Hit (ToP) - 8,200 Golden Frieza (ToP) - 8,100 to 8,200 SSR Black - 8,100 SSJ Rage Future Trunks - 8,000 SSG Goku (BoG and ToP) - ...

What I'm wondering is how Piccolo in his base form compares to Gohan's non-Ultimate forms. Is he meant to be comparable to base or Super Saiyan? The card for SSJ Gohan (or SSJ2 Gohan, not sure which form Gohan uses in the trailer) places him at 5,500, with Piccolo's base form being 5,000. The only ...

So new Waffle cards for Hero were revealed and interestingly Piccolo is stronger. Ultimate Piccolo: 7,700. Ultimate Gohan: 7,600. Gammas: 7,500 each. Anyone remember what was ToP Gohan's number? ToP Gohan was 7,400. However, these cards also have SSG Goku (BoG and ToP) around 7,700 to 7,800, so the...

So using the word of God, Future Trunks repeatedly fought Black and simply grew stronger each time. It's really that simple and there's no need to overcomplicate it. You're saying I'm overcomplicating it but using anime-only scenes to explain the manga. Goku using Cell Games Gohan as a reference fo...

SSJ1 Cabba (ToP) vs Frost (ToP) Frost got far stronger than before, to the point of being able of fighting equally against SSJ1 Vegeta, and to the point that he received a compliment from Hit, saying that he made him act a bit more seriously against him. Cabba, on the other hand, was beaten by Monna...

The manga may be a little vaguer about Piccolo’s power level, but the anime gives us a good indication he’s well above where most people place him going into the ToP. When training with Gohan he demonstrates the ability to easily overpower a SSJ2 Gohan, who at this point has been training enough to...

Piccolo merely standing next to Gohan while 17 attacks with 18 isnt particularly damning evidence though. And, for example, when Vegeta, piccolo, gohan, and krillin attacked final form freeza, Freeza went after Gohan first despite him being the third strongest. Again, there isn't really a rule abou...

Right. So I suppose I'm just confused. I went back and re-read the chapters to refresh, and the only thing Piccolo accomplished against Saganbo was to get beat up alongside Gohan. They both fired a large ki attack at him, which he no-sold and casually punched them away. He never affected him in any...

I don't think he is Blue tier in the Moro Saga, but he is most likely somewhere in the huge gap between SSJ3 to SSG tier. He must be stronger than 17 (who in the manga was also only somewhere in the huge gap between SSJ3 to SSG tier) since he did better than him against Saganbo. He trained with Ult...

Honest question regarding the manga. Piccolo was below ssj1 in the U6 tournament. Given that he hasnt spent time in the time chamber, nor gone through tranformations, nor had angel/god training since then, what logical reason is there to conclude he is now blue tier or anywhere near it, considering...

Ultimate Piccolo should be around Ultimate Gohan level now, which means he is Blue tier. They should also be stronger than Android 17 (Anime), since this Gohan should logically be far stronger than ToP Gohan, who was equal to Android 17 (Anime) (unless the Moro Saga gains for Gohan are not taken int...

That doesn't make sense. Why would they even say Goku is not normal if his speed was still lower or around their own? If anything, they should have said that only Tien is not normal since he is the one that truly considered that speed as slow given he was even faster than that. There wouldn't be an...

Krillin and Yamcha said "they" as in both Goku and Tien aren't normal to them. Such a quote is obviously talking about both of their levels. This means Weighted Goku's speed, which is equal to Kid Goku's (against King Piccolo) speed, is above Yamcha and Krillin's speed. By that logic, Kid...

They were amazed by Weighted Goku's speed, calling it not normal, although they were strong enough to see him (Tien was even faster to the point that Krillin and Yamcha could not see him at all). You misunderstood what was said. They weren't saying Goku's speed wasn't normal. They were saying that ...

We don’t know when Super movie #2 takes place in the history or if it even considers Moro and Granolah Arc events. Everything considered, I’m still not convinced that Gohan’s ultimate form is in any way comparable to SSB tier. SSGod is also said to rival Gods of Destruction and there is still such ...

I believe they weren't at King Piccolo's level yet. They were amazed by Weighted Goku's speed, calling it not normal, although they were strong enough to see him (Tien was even faster to the point that Krillin and Yamcha could not see him at all). Weighted Goku has the same speed as Kid Goku when he...

As a general note, Goku’s blue form got stronger during the recruitment episodes, he even trained with Whis in the gravity chamber, and despite that he was doing just fine against Toppo. Gohan’s ultimate form and No.17 together still weren’t quite on that level, as Toppo was single handily fighting...

Which volume has Vegito as 7,500 may I ask? The number I have from Vegito is 9,000 with Buuhan at 8,100. Dragon Ball Super Warrior Seal Wafer Z: Super Decisive Battle of Strong People ToP Gohan is also placed below SSG, which doesn't make sense since both anime and manga place him near SSB tier. Hm...

I wouldn't trust these that much. We know they don't make sense most of the time. These have Anilaza weaker than Golden Frieza if I remember correctly. There are certainly some questionable numbers, but I wouldn’t say they don’t make sense most of the time . Out of 20 pieces for set, you usually se...