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by Miracles
Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:14 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Well considering Black Freeza is essentially a glorified fan fiction transformation it's no real surprise he's weaker than Beerus. At any rate as far as Toriyama is concerned Broly > Beerus >= SSJB Goku and Vegeta fighting as a team. https://i.imgur.com/iqq6GE1.jpg https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main...
by Miracles
Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:58 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Any thoughts...? Goku needs a new dimension of power [Super Saiyan god] in BoG. Goku gets another new dimension of power on top of that [Super Saiyan god Super Saiyan] in RoF. Goku and Vegeta add three years of training on top of that for the U6 tournament. Tied Hit who couldn't show all his strengt...
by Miracles
Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:03 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

After all of this time, it still seems that the fandom hasn't squared the circle of how Jiren and TOP UI fit into the power hierarchy of the story. Black Frieza is stated to be "close" to a God of Destruction, placing him below Belmod whom is inferior to Jiren. This understandably creates...
by Miracles
Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I’m not sure what you mean by past~present tense, but I’m talking about what Vegeta says in the manga. In the movie, Vegeta says Jiren wasn’t much stronger than them, but used his power more efficiently. In the manga, Vegeta says he and Goku are physically on par with all their recent foes since lo...
by Miracles
Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:28 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

In the DBS Broly movie Vegeta states that Broly studied how to use his power in base mode. Before Broly lost control with the great ape mindset. I'm assuming Toyotaro included Broly in the list due to the statement from Toriyama's film... I don’t see the connection between this scene and what Veget...
by Miracles
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:19 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

In the DBS Broly movie Vegeta states that Broly studied how to use his power in base mode. Before Broly lost control with the great ape mindset. I'm assuming Toyotaro included Broly in the list due to the statement from Toriyama's film...

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by Miracles
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:09 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Yeah, the Oracle was talking about Freeza back in the Granolah arc. The title even says the universe strongest appears when Freeza diced up Gas, Goku and Vegeta. Whis vague statement in the end of that arc about Freeza perhaps being the strongest or another in the universe emerging is in step with ...
by Miracles
Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Yeah, the Oracle was talking about Freeza back in the Granolah arc. The title even says the universe strongest appears when Freeza diced up Gas, Goku and Vegeta. Whis vague statement in the end of that arc about Freeza perhaps being the strongest or another in the universe emerging is in step with W...
by Miracles
Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:02 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Gohan has Toriyama himself crowning him as the strength along with the history of Dragon ball backing him when the main focus.
by Miracles
Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The story doesn't even know if Goku or Vegeta could of beaten Cell Max. Orange Piccolo lost [I don't remember if Orange Piccolo was at full power?] to the behemoth. Toriyama does indeed say [According to Herms translation] that Piccolo does indeed have "battle power" on par with Goku and ...
by Miracles
Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42696
Views: 5674486

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I’m not really doubting that Freeza is a good reason to continue the series, but I’m not seeing how this automatically constitutes enough reason to claim there will be definitely a continuation. I was actually looking for something concrete, thanks for helping out. "The Dragon Ball Super (DBS)...
by Miracles
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:09 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The story doesn't even know if Goku or Vegeta could of beaten Cell Max. Orange Piccolo lost [I don't remember if Orange Piccolo was at full power?] to the behemoth. Toriyama does indeed say [According to Herms translation] that Piccolo does indeed have "battle power" on par with Goku and ...
by Miracles
Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:06 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 99 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 20
Views: 5614

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 99 - Official Discussion Thread

Let's get it. Enter Gohan Beast and Super Hero's Exit is incoming!
by Miracles
Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The story doesn't even know if Goku or Vegeta could of beaten Cell Max. Orange Piccolo lost [I don't remember if Orange Piccolo was at full power?] to the behemoth. Toriyama does indeed say [According to Herms translation] that Piccolo does indeed have "battle power" on par with Goku and C...
by Miracles
Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:36 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Piccolo comment in DBS Manga doesn't make sense
Replies: 2
Views: 1570

Re: Piccolo comment in DBS Manga doesn't make sense

At what point in time in the entirety of DB did Goku get so far beyond Piccolo/Gohan? SSJ2? SSJ3? God level? Obviously Piccolo felt he could still keep up at some point if they really trained releasing all their potential. Yet that wasn't even the case during Moro. Yet he realizes that wasn't the ca...
by Miracles
Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

shadd21 wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:01 am Why is Beerus nervous of Broly in the Manga version of Super Hero?
You mean angry that Broly is just at his home. Since he said his abode ain't a hotel.
by Miracles
Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:58 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Shin was going to get blown away by SSJ Goku in the Buu saga. It's obvious after all the gains [especially in the Moro arc] Base Goku would smoke Shin too. Easily 50X stronger in base mode from Buu arc till now.
by Miracles
Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think we should just forget that line about Jiren. Not because it's dumb (Although it is), but because it means absolutely nothing. Lots of people compare it to what Goku does against the Ginyu Force, but I've never seen anyone say 5000 was Goku's true power. Chapter: 281 (DBZ 87), P11.2-4 Jheese...
by Miracles
Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Vegeta's never been one to misread his opponent's strength"
Replies: 4
Views: 2075

Re: "Vegeta's never been one to misread his opponent's strength"

Piccolo was right. The details in the text prove that.
by Miracles
Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39969
Views: 3913296

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku and Vegeta didn't want to fight Broly because he loses it and he would destroy the planet. Goku was fighting Broly in the first place. However when he was powering up he was losing his mind again. Goku told him to stop. Not fighting Broly has nothing to do with him being stronger. Also, Yes whe...