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SS2 Kafla (ToP) vs. SSB Vegetto (FT arc) Who is stronger? Statements seem to imply a suppressed Geran is stronger than Fused Zamas, and Kafla is superior to that Geran. But, Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Caulifla and Kale in equal forms, so... :? SSJ2 Kefla wins with minimal difficulty. It was ...

My power list. Mastered UI Goku Jiren UI Goku (vs Jiren) Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta (after power up against Toppo) Destroyer Toppo SSJ2 Kefla > / = Initial UI Goku Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta SSB Goku Kaioken x20 = Aniraza SSB Goku Kaioken x10 SSB Goku Kaioken x2 / Base Toppo Super Speed Mod...

Base Goku should now be far stronger than anything SSJ Vegetto and Buuhan were capable of in the Buu saga. Meaning, even if SSJ Vegetto (Buu saga) had turned SSJ3 and teamed up with Buuhan, current Base Goku would wreck them with minimal effort. Buuhan would go down instantly while a few attacks fro...

With Piccolo's current persona, he should not have the privilege to train with a teacher of Whis' caliber. Fooling around with Pan, playing babysitter, and hauling groceries for ChiChi? Yeah, he's better off getting wrecked by a tiny insect. It's sad really, because Piccolo likely does have potentia...

The series kind of shoves it in your face but people come up with strange conclusions for some reason. Theres really very little if any evidence of a retcon. I agree. There is almost nothing pointing towards a retcon. I think it's mainly due to the fact that a lot of people aren't keen with Frost a...

There's really nothing odd about Android 17 reaching SSB-tier when you consider the fact that he started off far stronger than some galactic tyrant who was feared throughout the universe along with legendary warriors whose power was seemingly unrivaled at the time. The way I see it, Android 17 clow...

I agrew with that. Why do you keep saying "ritual form" instead of SSG? Just out of habit I suppose. Glad we could agree on this though. I definitely think Goku kept the ritual power he absorbed during his battle against Beerus; it was never once stated that he had lost the power. Plus, t...

Goku and Vegeta are far beyond SSG from BoG but their base forms are not. I am not entirely sure what you are saying the rest of the post I'm saying while their base forms didn't quite surpass the Ritual Form Goku that battled Beerus on the ship, their SSJs likely did. Current SSJ > Ritual Form Gok...

Yeah whether it is a 1.5x difference or 2-3x a difference is largely irrelevant. But I subscribe more to the former because I think the latter would imply he surpassed BoG SSG and me personally I just dont think that is the case. I think there's a good chance SSJ Goku / Vegeta both surpassed ritual...

I mostly agree with everything you said. I think that Vegeta doesn't reach SSJ3 Vegetto tier until after his trip to the ROSAT during the Zamasu arc, but I don't think that he ever gets 2-3x stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto at any point in the story. By the end of the story I think he has a significant e...

My power list. Mastered UI Goku Jiren UI Goku (vs Jiren) Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta (after power up against Toppo) Destroyer Toppo SSJ2 Kefla > / = Initial UI Goku Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta SSB Goku Kaioken x20 = Aniraza SSB Goku Kaioken x10 SSB Goku Kaioken x2 / Base Toppo Super Speed Mode...

Why? Also: ROF 1st Form Freeza vs Super Buu Base Cabba vs Final form Frost Hit vs SSJ Rose Goku Black SSJ3 Vegetto(Buu arc) vs Base Vegeta(End of Super) Super Speed Mode Dyspo vs current SSB Vegeta SSJ2 Cabba vs Ultimate Mode Katopesla First Form Frieza wins effortlessly. SSJ Gohan, who likely isn'...

There's really nothing odd about Android 17 reaching SSB-tier when you consider the fact that he started off far stronger than some galactic tyrant who was feared throughout the universe along with legendary warriors whose power was seemingly unrivaled at the time. The way I see it, Android 17 clown...

Base Kale vs Raditz Raditz finger flicks. Why? Also: ROF 1st Form Freeza vs Super Buu Base Cabba vs Final form Frost Hit vs SSJ Rose Goku Black SSJ3 Vegetto(Buu arc) vs Base Vegeta(End of Super) Super Speed Mode Dyspo vs current SSB Vegeta SSJ2 Cabba vs Ultimate Mode Katopesla First Form Frieza win...

So now I'm the one who can't form sentences just because you were seemingly unable to gather the real meaning behind a simple insignificant post? :lol: Nice one. :clap: Criticism or not, it was a personal observation tied into a comical post that was in response to all the baseless conclusions. In ...

It's not my fault that you may not have properly interpreted the meaning behind a simple, insignificant post that was meant for nothing more than a good laugh or two. Are you just that unhappy that Gohan's gone or something? And I know I've probably said this before, but since you seem to be having...

Since you seem to be having such a difficult time deciphering a simple post with a simple meaning behind it, I shall take the time to elaborate. For awhile now, fans have speculated that Gohan would somehow magically outlast 17 and make it to the final two or three. All kind of claims and theories ...

But misinterpreting a comical post that was directed at the incessant number of posts making wild assumptions based on absolutely nothing isn't insightful at all. :clap: You were just attaking some people favorite character to defend yours, don't see how that's is comical at all. If that's what you...

Here we go with all the Android 17 bashing again. I forget, who was it again that people thought would go before Gohan? Gohan seriously looks a whole lot better sitting on the bleachers than he did in combat. Android 17's showdown against Toppo was epic from all standpoints. And to defend one chara...

Here we go with all the Android 17 bashing again.

I forget, who was it again that people thought would go before Gohan?

Gohan seriously looks a whole lot better sitting on the bleachers than he did in combat. Android 17's showdown against Toppo was epic from all standpoints.