Kanzenshuu

I really don’t see how that line can’t be taken as anything other than a power statement when they were fighting and Goku is remembering their last fight. His immortality hadn’t been revealed yet and it doesn’t improve his durability.

Or everyone's recent favourite, base/SS Goku taking on Ikari Broly for an extended period. Yeah, I was giving out a manga example since some people get emotional if I used a Toei scene to debate. :| Goku does say Future Zamasu is leaps and bounds above his present self after all. I don't remember t...

Numbers for those guys? Feel free to include Gohan with and without rage boosts. SSJ Goku (Cell Games): SSJ Gohan (Cell Games): SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games): Super Perfect Cell: SSJ Gohan (Boo Saga): SSJ Vegeta (Boo Saga, Pre Majin): SSJ Goku (Boo Saga): SSJ2 Gohan (Boo Saga): SSJ2 Vegeta (Boo Saga, Pre ...

Looking back on the fights, Future Trunks barely even fights SSJR Black before he unlocks SSJ Fury. The only time they engage in combat they lock swords and Trunks kicks him to no effect. Goku has to run in and save Trunks. He did survive a Kamehameha that greatly injured SSJB Goku though. Survival...

I think the only CBM speedster that can even keep up with Dyspo is Snyder Cut Flash. Maybe CW Flash, but I haven’t watched his show since 2015.

Looking back on the fights, Future Trunks barely even fights SSJR Black before he unlocks SSJ Fury. The only time they engage in combat they lock swords and Trunks kicks him to no effect. Goku has to run in and save Trunks.

He did survive a Kamehameha that greatly injured SSJB Goku though.

What the hell? The guide books really say that? Because even in comparison with Nappa, I don't think that works, Gohan using his Masenko and getting a power level of 2800 is something Vegeta is shocked at (Though he puts focus on how the powers flunctuate with Earthlings), and nowhere else in the f...

Nappa had an even fight with Goku, and regardless of how power levels work, 4,000 is simply not equal 8,000+. Granted Nappa was a tough guy, but so was Recoome. He and Nappa even canceled out each other’s attacks, though I’m willing to give Goku a small lead since his Kamehameha was a hastily charge...

Better than I expected tbh. Specially compared to last month’s.

So, if Bardock is still a low class saiyan and is fighting Gas, who is still superior, how strong are they, really? No scouter has been destroyed due to overload, 30 years later they still cannot go past 22,000, unless they are the newer models that the Ginyu have, that probably didn't exist back t...

Do we know for a fact that Dyspo > Kahseral? Looking back on their perfomances, Kahseral had the SSJ girls struggling pretty badly on a beam struggle, while Dyspo didn’t do anything to Base Freeza. Granted Kahseral had the help from other four Troopers, but they all appeared to be base level as wel...

Do we know for a fact that Dyspo > Kahseral? Looking back on their perfomances, Kahseral had the SSJ girls struggling pretty badly on a beam struggle, while Dyspo didn’t do anything to Base Freeza. Granted Kahseral had the help from other four Troopers, but they all appeared to be base level as well...

He was pretty cunning, even though his schemes took a turn to the obvious when he wished for Gas to be stronger than Granolah. Sadly I don’t think he’s surviving this saga, he, Oil and Maki will probably get killed as collateral damage like powerless goons do (Piccolo falling on Piano and killing h...

also, most likely his "raw" Power Level didn't increase, but he got BETTER at fighting. Hit probably already had his ToP PL even during u6, but he was "bad" at fighting: the anime made a point of him improving during the battle both as pure fighter and at using his time techniqu...

He was pretty cunning, even though his schemes took a turn to the obvious when he wished for Gas to be stronger than Granolah. Sadly I don’t think he’s surviving this saga, he, Oil and Maki will probably get killed as collateral damage like powerless goons do (Piccolo falling on Piano and killing hi...

In addition to what was said up there, we gotta remember that trying to do a KO or ring-out and holding back your killing potential can really limit how hard you can hit a weaker fighter. Hit and Goku are going as close to all-out as they can without breaking the rules, which naturally means there'...

Does Hit's improvement ability heighten his power level, or is it just his timeskip/overall fighting ability? I always thought it was the later, but the fact he can stand up to KKx10 Goku and Jiren in hand to hand combat makes it sound like he's getting stronger as well. If it was supposed to be jus...

I’m not disputing that notion, but I’m not seeing how it has any relevance to what Goku managed there. Whis says even the gods of destruction are barely standing, so he lumps Goku together with them. He doesn’t say Goku is hanging there because he is further than Rumshi than Beerus is, for example....

I would like to just point out that we are discussing a fictional work, where “common sense” may not apply, specially in a fight between absurdly strong people. I think people read way too much into that scene and forget the simple explanation that Whis gives (God level -: faint; God level: freeze;...

Yeah I can’t possibly see Goku and Vegeta’s lower forms not improving much. Whis says Goku and Vegeta need to train in their lower forms to really improve, so it’s not like Z where the bulk of their power ups was coming from new forms. Even before Whis’ training Goku and Vegeta were crazy strong, st...