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by TheSaiyanGod
Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out if UI is in the equation in any of the movie and Toriyama's statements. The technique is never mentioned, and the movie is intended as a direct sequel to Broly in which both Goku and Vegeta are capped at tSSB level, and Goku is not able to access UI at wil...
by TheSaiyanGod
Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 225
Views: 28264

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread

Yeah, changing the subject a bit to the actual story, since one of the biggest complaints about this section of the arc is Gas as the big bad, I'm curious what direction you would take the character to make him as compelling as Granolah? I don't think his stoic personality is necessarily a problem, ...
by TheSaiyanGod
Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 225
Views: 28264

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread

Well, while I've already expressed my displeasure with this chapter, echoing other people's complaints (I liked most of the chapters that were criticized here btw, but I disliked the directions taken in the current chapter, no doubt), I also agree that this sub (and just in general, DB fans), tend t...
by TheSaiyanGod
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:53 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 225
Views: 28264

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread

Maybe other members can enlighten me, but what was Vegeta's answer supposed to be in that chapter? His line to Goku suggested that he had found his answer, while waiting for Goku do the same. He started the fight with another resolve, no longer constrained by the guilt of what the Saiyans had done, ...
by TheSaiyanGod
Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:31 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 225
Views: 28264

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 85 - Official Discussion Thread

So apparently this chapter is going to delve a little deeper into what Goku and Vegeta took out of Bardock's fight and motivations, which is cool. Especially since the resolution of their internal conflicts in the last chapter did seem a bit sudden. And this is particularly important for Vegeta beca...
by TheSaiyanGod
Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:05 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero Box Office Thread
Replies: 496
Views: 60113

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero Box Office Thread

I don't think that the "lesson" they are going to learn with the movir translates to "no CGI and no focus on side characters". Broly was a huge sucess, with 2D animation, focus on Goku/Vegeta and tons of fan service and yet the lesson that they learned wasn't "let's just mak...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
Replies: 5562
Views: 551595

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Again, you're not telling me anything I didn't already say. I know these new powerups don't compare to Ultra Instinct. That was entirely my point because they're all incredibly lame whereas they nailed it the first time with Ultra instinct. You still don't get it. Your point is that none of these p...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
Replies: 5562
Views: 551595

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Does anyone know what did Gohan said regarding his insects investigation and the SS? He said he found a type of ant that glows golden when threatened, just like the Super Saiyans. I actually found this moment to be really cute, lol. Gohan gets super excited talking about nature beings / stuff that ...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
Replies: 5562
Views: 551595

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

I know, that's what I said it was! You people keep quoting me to make sure I know that you know that SSBE isn't as strong as Ultra Instinct without actually reading the words I'm saying. Yeah...and that isn't the main point at all. Maybe I should make it more clear My point was ever since Goku got ...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Just no, SSB Goku and Vegeta are around Gamma 1/2 and the Ultimate forms. After seeing the movie and just how above Cell Max Gohan was in his Final form along with the line Goku and Vegeta probably couldn't have won: I'd truly say Final Gohan>Ultra Goku and Vegeta>Orange Piccolo>SSB x 20 Goku and S...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Maybe they are comparable in the sense that they could give Goku and Vegeta a tough fight, but if I were to think about a middle ground, it would be Orange Piccolo > Goku/Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan > Gammas. According to the summaries Gamma #2’s attacks didn’t even budge Orange Piccolo, so I don’t thi...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Having seen the film, the implication seemed to be: Orange Piccolo > Ultimate Gohan (initially) > Gammas > Piccolo (Potential-unleashed) The 80% line is indeed just about energy reserves in terms of stamina; not strength. In addition, Gamma #2 actually has the clear upper hand against potential-unl...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That statement about Jiren doesn't any make sense for both manga and anime. If the movie claimed that the mindset and training methods he used were responsible for the big difference in power, then yeah, I guess you could say it. But Vegeta says the difference wasn't that big, and that what made it ...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:48 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
Replies: 5562
Views: 551595

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

My point was ever since Goku got UI they've been handing out new forms and powerups to Vegeta to compensate and none of them have stuck because UI was a genuine cultural reset rivaling the original Super Saiyan transformation while all of Vegeta's new powerups are things we either forgot about the ...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:54 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The problem is that the movie continuity seems to ignore any transformation above Super Saiyan Blue. Not even Ultra Instinct is mentioned, nor is it implied that Goku can use it at will. So it looks like they are still capped at Blue level here. And yet we have Gohan wondering if Goku and Vegeta wou...
by TheSaiyanGod
Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:05 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
Replies: 5562
Views: 551595

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

unearned powerups are a trend. Did you not see Future Trunks in the Black arc? Or Freeza during RoF? Or Granolah becoming the strongest in the universe with a single wish? This isn't new, and it doesn't bother me. Frieza's power up was not unearned because he trained for it. I guess you could say t...
by TheSaiyanGod
Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It is ironic that some version of the "two base theory" turned out to be true for the manga. Base Goku with UI is roughly equal to Super Saiyan Vegeta, but when Vegeta told him to dodge Granolah's blasts using his mind, he needed Super Saiyan to match him. I figure the same might be true ...
by TheSaiyanGod
Sat Jun 04, 2022 10:22 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"
Replies: 5562
Views: 551595

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

To be honest, Goku apologizes to Gohan in the Moro arc for making him fight again, implying that those 2 months of training was only due to Moro's threat and wasn't a recurring thing after the ToP. But even so, the impression was that Gohan was always ready to defend Earth in case something happened...
by TheSaiyanGod
Fri May 27, 2022 6:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

. I'm not sure how exactly this disputes what I'm saying. Cell says that Vegeta and Trunks are barely capable of fighting the Cell Jrs equally, and Piccolo is obviously weaker than both of them (besides the fact that he's even not being mentioned in this example). On top of that, there's nothing in...
by TheSaiyanGod
Fri May 27, 2022 12:28 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39829
Views: 3837100

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

He stood his ground against the Cell Jrs. That alone puts him over Super Vegeta. Cell states that the only ones who are capable of fighting the Cell Jrs are Vegeta and Trunks https://i.imgur.com/EGQggel_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium I don't know how it's written in Japanes...