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by Miracles
Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Vegeta's never been one to misread his opponent's strength"
Replies: 4
Views: 2033

Re: "Vegeta's never been one to misread his opponent's strength"

Piccolo was right. The details in the text prove that.
by Miracles
Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku and Vegeta didn't want to fight Broly because he loses it and he would destroy the planet. Goku was fighting Broly in the first place. However when he was powering up he was losing his mind again. Goku told him to stop. Not fighting Broly has nothing to do with him being stronger. Also, Yes whe...
by Miracles
Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:17 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Why wouldn't the wish count Broly when he is indeed in universe 7? Freeza was only exempted from being subject to Toronbo's wish because he was out of the universe. Now people saying Broly doesn't count is making up rules for the titan Saiyan. Of course Broly counts, but only as much as he is capab...
by Miracles
Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Why would Granolah not be stronger than Shin, King Kai, Karin etc after the strongest wish when Goku and Vegeta surpassed all of them especially Shin in the Buu saga? In context Toronbo it's clear that he'd be weaker apart from the gods who were not surpassed [Beerus/Whis]. Why wouldn't the wish cou...
by Miracles
Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:49 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Gohan: Toriyama just said that Gohan is "actually" [truly] stronger than anyone. "Or so it is said." Which we all know has been the case since Cell Games, Mystic Gohan and now again in Super Hero with Gohan Beast, having the main spotlight ["shine"] again. Goku: At the ...
by Miracles
Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:09 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I doubt base Goku in the Buu Saga could "one blow" Freeza.
by Miracles
Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

What is being depicted are two Saiyans at a near-equal level clashing with each other and attempting to outdo each other by going beyond their limits. That isn't a result of stamina recovery. Saiyans don't outdo each other for stamina. This should be obvious because the statement applies to both an...
by Miracles
Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:04 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 95 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 50
Views: 10318

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 95 - Official Discussion Thread

Excited to get closer to the next arc with each passing chapter. As the manga Super Hero arc can never outdo the movie. Seriously, half the posts in the last thread were made before the chapter came out. It came out and all anyone had to say was "Well, that's that." I hope something is sl...
by Miracles
Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:41 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

What is stated is that Goku and Kefla were going all-out and the only thing that was holding Goku back was his stamina. You haven't provided any statements to suggest that suggests energy and stamina are the same. You keep pushing the narrative that Goku was lacking strength with no mention of any ...
by Miracles
Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 95 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 50
Views: 10318

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 95 - Official Discussion Thread

Excited to get closer to the next arc with each passing chapter. As the manga Super Hero arc can never outdo the movie.
by Miracles
Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:23 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku's lack of power wasn't the reason as to why he got one-shotted so the comparison would still hold. It's not bad writing. The only reason you believe this is because there's a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between stamina and energy that is being used differently. Thani just pr...
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That would mean that Kaioken Blue Goku reached power on par with the U7 Genkidama that collided with Jiren's energy. When he got one shotted? I think that is a stretch. However, logically I can see why you say that because he was going back and forth with Kefla. Again this is why I say it comes dow...
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:20 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

But this form of Goku matched Super Saiyan Kefla? Yep. Not even at full strength, it was enough for Goku to put up a good fight. That would mean that Kaioken Blue Goku reached power on par with the U7 Genkidama that collided with Jiren's energy. When he got one shotted? I think that is a stretch. H...
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:01 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku9001 wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:51 am
Miracles wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:43 am
Goku9001 wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:37 am

Was Kaioken Blue Goku at full power against Kefla?
No since it was stated that Goku was still "run-down" when he used Blue Kaioken too.
But this form of Goku matched Super Saiyan Kefla?
Yep. Not even at full strength, it was enough for Goku to put up a good fight.
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Champa blatantly stated, "I didn't think Kefla's energy was so high". That's not a stamina-related remark. That is strictly a power assessment that he made upon Kefla transforming. Aside from that, why wouldn't Champa believe this? Both were equal fighters. The one who is operating at ful...
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:34 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku's full power is his Blue Kaioken form. Regardless of how powerful Goku had become in his lower forms, he wouldn't be at his body's full power overall as a Super Saiyan God. In relation to Champa's claim, he would be correct. Both exhibited the same power so Kefla would have an inherent advanta...
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Why are you avoiding the question? The story said Goku wasn't even at full power when he reached Super Saiyan god. Then Champa believed Kefla in her lower SSJ form could handle Blue Goku because he wasn't at "full stamina." Compared to Kefla's energy , even tho "Goku has come a long ...
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:45 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

We are repeating the same thing. There's no denying that your power can fall when your stamina falls but that doesn't mean Goku was at a point where he could not maintain full power as a Super Saiyan 2 . Super Saiyan Goku presumably maintained full power in his battle with Frieza. Hell, Frieza main...
by Miracles
Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:33 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836725

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That would be your reasoning. You're implying that throughout the duration of the fight, Goku was not operating at full power because he needs the strength to transform. According to the story, Goku's battle with Caulifa was primarily the reason why his energy was growing stronger which is differen...