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by Hitiro
Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:54 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...
Replies: 90
Views: 5128

Re: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...

But if they did use a graded form then that doesn't mean that they didn't achieve FPSSJ. FPSSJ is just a Saiyan who has mastered SSJ and can prevent the form from being a strain on the Saiyan's energy supply in every day life. If you think about it then that would make the graded forms more viable ...
by Hitiro
Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:42 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Power Level Multiplier Discussion
Replies: 60
Views: 6680

Re: Power Level Multiplier Discussion

Oh, okay then. My mistake. ...That's kind of weird though, isn't it? I don't think it was ever implied that people who've just come back to life weren't at full power before that. Was Piccolo not at full power when they wished him back to life and brought him to Namek? How odd... An alternate expla...
by Hitiro
Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...
Replies: 90
Views: 5128

Re: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...

A while ago there was a similar discussion in which we ended up agreeing that Vegeta (and most likely Trunks too) hadn't reached FSSJ, since when the Cell Jrs. charge at them and he powers up, we see his muscles bulge, which if I'm not mistaken, is a sign of whatever the SSJ stage is called when he...
by Hitiro
Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:24 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Daizenshuu 7, Goku's SSJ PL
Replies: 67
Views: 5157

Re: Daizenshuu 7, Goku's SSJ PL

They tought Gohan was dead. Chapter: 278 (DBZ 84), P13.5 Context: after Recoom kicks Gohan hard Jheese: “He’s all but dead. He doesn’t have any battle power remaining.” Burta: “Naturally. His neck’s broken.” How did they think he was dead? You just said Jeice said " He's ALL but dead. " There was n...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Daizenshuu 7, Goku's SSJ PL
Replies: 67
Views: 5157

Re: Daizenshuu 7, Goku's SSJ PL

Eh, I still stand by the premise that powerlevels for all characters are like a heartbeats. The more you exert yourself the higher it goes but you'll always have a resting powerlevel that is when your not doing anything at all. The only difference with this is Goku and the Z-fighters are like highl...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:57 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The fate of the frog
Replies: 35
Views: 1919

Re: The fate of the frog

Actually, Guru wasn't technically revived, he had his lifespan extended. He technically was revived, extending the lifespan of a dead person will still make them dead. He was brought back because his death wasn't natural, it was a cause of Frieza and his men killing his children that shortened his ...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:39 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: When was Trunks conceived?
Replies: 31
Views: 8172

Re: When was Trunks conceived?

That's based on the idea that the Super Genki-dama comes from 6 billion of humans. Plus ~100 Namekians and several ogres in Other World. Not to mention three ridiculously powerful half-Saiyan hybrids. I was averaging it seeing as we know Gohan is much more powerful than Kid Buu, if Goku wanted a Ge...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:12 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Power Level Multiplier Discussion
Replies: 60
Views: 6680

Re: Power Level Multiplier Discussion

Golden Oozaru would be 500x base power level (assuming regular Oozaru is 10x and Super Saiyan is 50x, since the form is basically just a Super Saiyan Oozaru), so I guess Super Saiyan 4 would be somewhere in that range, or probably a bit higher. 4000x for SSj4 just seems absurdly high, though. Maybe...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The fate of the frog
Replies: 35
Views: 1919

Re: The fate of the frog

OK...that, then. We just didn't see him on Earth. Not particularly important to draw a bunch of rarely seen Namekian animals. Unless (and this is likely a bullshit theory that I'm just spilling out of my brain) Vegeta inadvertently (or on purpose, in some random killing spree out of boredom, wantin...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:48 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The fate of the frog
Replies: 35
Views: 1919

Re: The fate of the frog

When Goku was gathering his Genki-Dama, he and/or Goku said that there wasn't much life left on the planet, which is why he had to borrow energy from other planets. And a bunch of animals, such as the frog, could've died from Namek's crumbling instability after Freeza destroyed its core. The wish w...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:41 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: When was Trunks conceived?
Replies: 31
Views: 8172

Re: When was Trunks conceived?

So I wouldn't take the 150G in account... Are you going to dismiss the only instance the kids' strength are put in a comparison perspective because...? Because Vegeta trained at 300G, however at this point in the story he would be extremely weak. Trunks and Goten on the other hand have been shown t...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:29 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...
Replies: 90
Views: 5128

Re: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...

And there isn't evidence to suggest that Vegeta or Trunks didn't get used to the form like Goku and Gohan either. It's up in the air, frankly. No-one's right or wrong either. And that's just your interpretation of Trunks' SSj after he returns to his time. Some people think that he's a FPSSj based o...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:50 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...
Replies: 90
Views: 5128

Re: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...

I don't understand, are you saying that Vegeta and Trunks didn't do the training to achieve FPSSJ? Full-power Super Saiyan isn't a form/transformation but a tittle like "Mightiest Warrior" for Gohan after he got his dormant power unlocked by Elder Kaioshin. However they clearly didn't follow the sa...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong is King Yemma?
Replies: 26
Views: 4142

Re: How strong is King Yemma?

But what does it mean to overpower someone? Considering DBZ is it not possible that King Yemma has an ability that far outstrips his battle power? If we look at Tien in the Cell saga there's no way with his battle power could he hold back semi-perfect Cell normally but because Tien had his Kikoho wh...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:35 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...
Replies: 90
Views: 5128

Re: Vegeta & Trunks, what the hell have you been doing...

I don't understand, are you saying that Vegeta and Trunks didn't do the training to achieve FPSSJ? I don't think that necessarily is the case, we saw Goku and Gohan training in the ROSAT for a while, attempting to get Gohan to SSJ, Goku achieving 2nd Grade and showing Gohan that it was a bad choice ...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:17 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: When was Trunks conceived?
Replies: 31
Views: 8172

Re: When was Trunks conceived?

I remember them trying to be extra cautious in order to not kill #18. Goten: We should go SSJ, Trunks! -They go SSJ- Trunks: We're still at a disadvantage, we should go with Ki attacks. Goten: Ki?! Are you sure? Trunks: Yeah, it won't kill her! She's No. 18. No.18 was very scared of a Ki attack Tru...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:41 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: When was Trunks conceived?
Replies: 31
Views: 8172

Re: When was Trunks conceived?

their powerlevels were certainly not around the same as Goku's Why? Why would they be? I seem to recall Trunks struggling in 150g until he changed into a SSJ. Goku, who trained up to 100g, had a powerlevel of 90,000 once arriving on Namek. I'm pretty sure an extra 50x normal gravity wouldn't requir...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:27 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: When was Trunks conceived?
Replies: 31
Views: 8172

Re: When was Trunks conceived?

I always assumed that it was because Goku and Vegeta had already unlocked the SSJ genes before they passed conceived Goten and Trunks that they give their sons the genes and all Goten and Trunks needed to do was do what needed to be done to go SSJ. They didn't need to use rage or require the needine...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:11 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Daizenshuu 7, Goku's SSJ PL
Replies: 67
Views: 5157

Re: Daizenshuu 7, Goku's SSJ PL

Eh, I still stand by the premise that powerlevels for all characters are like a heartbeats. The more you exert yourself the higher it goes but you'll always have a resting powerlevel that is when your not doing anything at all. The only difference with this is Goku and the Z-fighters are like highly...
by Hitiro
Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:43 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The fate of the frog
Replies: 35
Views: 1919

Re: The fate of the frog

When Goku was gathering his Genki-Dama, he and/or Goku said that there wasn't much life left on the planet, which is why he had to borrow energy from other planets. And a bunch of animals, such as the frog, could've died from Namek's crumbling instability after Freeza destroyed its core. The wish w...