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by Pantalones
Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:17 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Inconsistencies within the manga
Replies: 32
Views: 4692

Re: Inconsistencies within the manga

Another Z to Super inconsistency: The base Saiyans seem to be estimated less powerful than Freeza without Super Saiyans. Yet Vegeta agreed to participate in a tournament with Piccolo and 18. Some people want to act like it os just Vegeta showing off but that's nonsensical. There is no way he agrees...
by Pantalones
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:18 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Captain Ginyu´s First form
Replies: 5
Views: 1524

Re: Captain Ginyu´s First form

Wasn't it said in some of the supplementary material that Salza/Sauza/however-you-want-to-spell-his-name from the Cooler movie is one of the few people who's seen Ginyu's original body, and that they'd competed against each other for positions of power in the past?
by Pantalones
Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:42 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who is the strongest (living) character at the end of the original series?
Replies: 49
Views: 6056

Re: Who is the strongest (living) character at the end of the original series?

2. Where is everyone getting this Buu arc Ssj2 Goku and Vegeta are barely stronger than Ssj2 Cell Games Gohan? Basically, it's because raging SSj2 Gohan at the Cell Games is constantly used as a "measuring stick" throughout the early Buu Saga -- which wouldn't make sense if that level of ...
by Pantalones
Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:39 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Can cell turn ssj?
Replies: 6
Views: 1391

Re: Can cell turn ssj?

I've always seen Cell's gold-aura state as being his equivalent to Super Saiyan, yeah. I mean, think about it... he has all the best parts of the species he's made up of. Even though Dr. Gero doesn't know about Super Saiyan, that doesn't rule it out -- it wasn't Gero himself who completed Cell, but ...
by Pantalones
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:19 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Was Yamoshi killed by a demon?
Replies: 8
Views: 1561

Re: Was Yamoshi killed by a demon?

Crazy, I know, given that we have no indication that Saiyans can split themselves into good and evil halves like Namekians, but it's at least an interesting idea in my opinion. It doesn't seem like what happened with Kami and Piccolo Daimao was specifically a Namekian ability, considering that when...
by Pantalones
Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:34 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong was Goku REALLY at the start of Dragonball?
Replies: 12
Views: 1830

Re: How strong was Goku REALLY at the start of Dragonball?

Personally, I always saw beginning-of-Dragonball Goku as having something more like a power level of 25. Of course, power levels weren't a thing in the original Dragonball and all of the levels listed for characters back then were added after the fact, so you kind of have to expect them to be a litt...
by Pantalones
Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:21 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong would fourth transformation King Cold be?
Replies: 16
Views: 4183

Re: How strong would fourth transformation King Cold be?

I like to think that there was a reason why Cold told Freeza to only avoid Buu and Beerus while not mentioning Dabura and Shin (out of universe reasons aside). Perhaps a final form Cold (if he can transform) would be within that power range I figure he just wouldn't know about Dabura in the first p...
by Pantalones
Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What is the dumbest DB fan theory you have ever heard?
Replies: 344
Views: 75965

Re: What is the dumbest DB fan theory you have ever heard?

Another really dumb theory that was mostly popular with the yaoi crowds was that saiyans reproduce homosexually :lol: Oh man, I actually remember stumbling across some people (on a Pokémon forum, of all places) talking about this waaay back in the day when I wasn't even into DBZ yet. Apparently the...
by Pantalones
Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:16 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: I have 2 questions
Replies: 7
Views: 1385

Re: I have 2 questions

If Goku had used a thirty-times Kaio-ken to power his Kamehameha against Freeza instead of just twenty, Freeza would be seriously injured. The highest level of power Freeza seems to be able to use without going through the longer, straining process of bulking up to "100% mode" is 70%... an...
by Pantalones
Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:21 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37484
Views: 3474465

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

2. Present Zamasu vs SSJ3 Goku (RoF) Didn't the present Zamasu fight SSj 2 Goku, coming across as being at least a little weaker than he was? I can't imagine Goku would've randomly gotten four times stronger between Resurrection F and the time he met Zamasu, so I'd say SSj3 Goku completely flattens...
by Pantalones
Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:01 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37484
Views: 3474465

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Who's the strongest character 20x Kaioken Piccolo (Boo arc) could beat? Piccolo was not far off from Vegeta or Trunks at the Cell Games, and should be even stronger by the Buu saga considering that he pretty much never stops training (though he wouldn't be getting enormous gains now like he did bef...
by Pantalones
Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:34 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Old Broly vs Super Vegetto
Replies: 104
Views: 12459

Re: Old Broly vs Super Vegetto

In another hand, questioning Koyama’s knowledge about DBZ movies is like questioning Aya Matsui’s about DBGT or even Toriyama’s about the original manga . You realize you're talking about Akira "so who's Tao Pai Pai again? didn't #18 have purple hair?" Toriyama, right...? So... yeah, you ...
by Pantalones
Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:14 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How strong would fourth transformation King Cold be?
Replies: 16
Views: 4183

Re: How strong would fourth transformation King Cold be?

Well, the King Cold we see was described as being a bit stronger than the level of power they were sensing from Freeza, or at least in the same range. Of course, this was Freeza when he was probably heavily suppressed (maybe 3,000,000ish like when he first fought Goku on Namek?), not the level he po...
by Pantalones
Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:12 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What if the Androids or Buu learned the Shin Kikoho?
Replies: 2
Views: 750

Re: What if the Androids or Buu learned the Shin Kikoho?

Hmm... not sure if it was a dub-only thing or what, but wasn't the Kikoho mentioned as draining the user's life or shortening their lifespan, rather than merely depleting one's stamina like SSj3 or Golden Freeza do? It doesn't just make you tired (drain your physical or ki energy reserves), it actua...
by Pantalones
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:32 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Non-thread-worthy discussions
Replies: 4635
Views: 594876

Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

So, here's something that's been bugging me. Why does Vegeta share the same name as his father? More importantly, if his father was named Vegeta, shouldn't that make him Vegeta Jr.? Back when the king was still alive, they were probably differentiated as "King Vegeta" and "Prince Veg...
by Pantalones
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:14 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Can og broly kill fat Buu?
Replies: 11
Views: 1357

Re: Can og broly kill fat Buu?

He'd be able to pull it off if he randomly pulled Super Saiyan 3 out of his ass. Otherwise... no way. Even after his near-death boost following the first movie, Broly loses to any form of Buu. At best, he'd manage to blow Buu up with a huge blast like Vegeta did with his self-destructing move, so he...
by Pantalones
Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:20 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Would Goku Be Able To Still Use All Of His Techniques & Transformations If His Mind Was Sent Back To His Early DB Body?
Replies: 16
Views: 2000

Re: Would Goku Be Able To Still Use All Of His Techniques & Transformations If His Mind Was Sent Back To His Early DB Bo

Kaio-Ken for me still might work with the correct training because that's much more about training the body than it is about reaching a minimum Power Level. Yeah, I suppose for Kaio-ken it's not so much "you need this much strength to use this level" so much as "someone who reaches t...
by Pantalones
Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:12 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37484
Views: 3474465

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

1. SSG Goku from BoG is stronger than anything from GT. (Was stated/implied to be universe busting. Nothing in GT is that strong) . We just don't really get feats in GT. By scaling, SSJ4 Goku should be about on par if not stronger, because all we know about SSG Goku is that he is stronger than SSJ3...
by Pantalones
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:07 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Fighting maneuvers in Dragonball make no sense
Replies: 37
Views: 4267

Re: Fighting maneuvers in Dragonball make no sense

If the finger was only there for a nanosecond it wouldn't be able to stop all of the punch's momentum. Beerus's finger was only on Goku's face for a nanosecond and it sent him flying all the way around North Kaio's planet... The amount of force required to stop the momentum of a single punch can't ...
by Pantalones
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:52 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Would Goku Be Able To Still Use All Of His Techniques & Transformations If His Mind Was Sent Back To His Early DB Body?
Replies: 16
Views: 2000

Re: Would Goku Be Able To Still Use All Of His Techniques & Transformations If His Mind Was Sent Back To His Early DB Bo

Well, obviously any Super Saiyan form would be off the table since he wouldn't have enough S-cells or a high enough power level to activate it -- even in situations where the rage was there to trigger it, he just wouldn't meet the other qualifications. As for actual techniques... Kaio-ken, almost de...